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Several people are currently in jail without trial for making non-specific verbal or written threats against schools in the USA. One could play devil's-advocat
by ck2 10y ago
Several people are currently in jail without trial for making non-specific verbal or written threats against schools in the USA.
One could play devil's-advocate and argue that is free-speech since the threat is non-specific and no actual action was taken.
Using that same logic however, insulting a religion specifically to demonstrate/cause violent reaction should trigger a per-emptive jail term without trial in the USA?
But now you've got me defending an abrahamic religion, I feel like I need to take a shower to get clean.
- mistermann 10y agoIf you could kill a religion as you can schoolchildren I might agree they are comparable.
- ck2 10y agoWell again, not to defend the religion, but they tend to go after people, not just the religion, and yes those people get killed. Like the idiots who go and kill people in headgear who turn out to be Sikh and not even muslim. Started happening after 9/11 and still happens every few years when the flames are fanned.
- theandrewbailey 10y ago> Using that same logic however, insulting a religion specifically to demonstrate/cause violent reaction should trigger a per-emptive jail term without trial in the USA? Constitution says no, but if they call you a terrorist, the government could put your ass in Gitmo and you'd never be heard from again.
- ck2 10y agoI think we need a better reference these days because no-one has been added to gitmo in eight years and certainly not any US citizen (that we know of, who knows for sure?) However I don't think there are even examples of terrorists without trials in supermax? Again that we know of, because we tend to not find out these things until someone gives up their own freedom to leak out what is really going on years later. I do know there are people in jail, not prison, without trial for threatening schools. That's as close as we get to prison-for-speech?
- leesalminen 10y agoWhat about Homan Square in Chicago where the local police set up and utilized a "secret" detention center where people were held, without charges or access to an attorney? http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-polic...