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You are either in denial or being deliberately obstinate if you claim the pirate bay isn't primarily used to facilitate piracy.

by serge2k 10y ago

dragandj 10y ago
I do not care what some users use it for. In itself, TPB hosts magnet links (hash sums). That's all. What people use to calculate those sums is not under control of TPB.
- hasenj 10y ago
  some? That "some" portion is 99.999% of users. If you were honest, you would say "I don't care that 1% might be using it for legitimate torrents"
  - dragandj 10y ago
    How do you know? And even if it is - complain to those users. TPB does and can not control the contents that users use to calculate hashes. 100% of hashsums on TPB are legal. These are genuine numbers. They don't even uniquely identify the (supposedly illegitimate) contents on users' computers since different sources can produce identical hashsums.
  - rhizome 10y ago
    How did you come up with "99.999%?" Please show your work.
    - techthroway443 10y ago
      Check out the Top100 links to get an idea how the site is used.
      - dragandj 10y ago
        All I can see is that people use it to advertise the TOC of their folders. The links do not even guarantee that the files in those folders match description. But, I don't see what TPB has with that? None of these is on TPB. The users don't even use TPB to connect, but to get magnet links that are only an entrance to the network. If I post this here: a4c5fd525f15cf929d6a38b0ccb854b4f88b2385 what can you claim about that hash?
        techthroway443 10y ago
        Right... and the advertised TOC of their folders is mostly what? 99.999% linux distros I presume?
        dragandj 10y ago
        That's their private concern. TPB is not a busybody.
        techthroway443 10y ago
        What? Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? Have you clicked on this page: https://www.thepiratebay.org/top/all https://www.thepiratebay.org/top/all Wtf is the point of acting like TPB is a legit site where the main focus is not to spread copyrighted material? Are you that fucking daft?
        rhizome 10y ago
        Craigslist is not responsible for what is done with hammers acquired through its website.
- benmcnelly 10y ago
  The argument here as indicated above is much more important than copyright issues. semi-convoluted analogy time! I want to start off with a statement of empathy and understanding for people who have their name slandered online when someone reviews their shop/eatery. Now lets say someone comes onto that shops site, and leaves a bitter unsightly comment, I don't think anyone would argue that they are within their right to delete that from their site, as much as they could leave it up and respond to it at their discretion. Now lets say, that someone comes onto your site, and leaves a comment about this persons shop. your site could be a review site, or just a general discussion site. Either way, when the shop owner comes to you and asks you to remove the comment, you have every right to do so, or to decide not to. If I see someone come along and FORCE someone (you) to take down a review or comment, I would be very upset about that. I mean, its not my site, but when I see your rights get trampled on, even though I empathize with the trampler, I have to take your side on this. All this to say, people who take obvious black and white issues and use those to further their agenda do not reserve the right to be unchallenged in process. We all agree that killing people is terrible, but we don't all agree that abortion is wrong. We all agree that giving to people is great, but we don't all buy into a universal basic income. We all agree copyright protection is there for the artist, and that stealing things is bad, but some people think that the argument of what constitutes data you can control and can't has farther reaching consequences than piracy.

You are either in denial or being deliberately obstinate if you claim the pirate bay isn't primarily used to facilitate piracy.

by serge2k 10y ago

You are either in denial or being deliberately obstinate if you claim the pirate bay isn't primarily used to facilitate piracy.

dragandj 10y ago

I do not care what some users use it for. In itself, TPB hosts magnet links (hash sums). That's all. What people use to calculate those sums is not under control of TPB.

hasenj 10y ago
some? That "some" portion is 99.999% of users. If you were honest, you would say "I don't care that 1% might be using it for legitimate torrents"
- dragandj 10y ago
  How do you know? And even if it is - complain to those users. TPB does and can not control the contents that users use to calculate hashes. 100% of hashsums on TPB are legal. These are genuine numbers. They don't even uniquely identify the (supposedly illegitimate) contents on users' computers since different sources can produce identical hashsums.
- rhizome 10y ago
  How did you come up with "99.999%?" Please show your work.
  - techthroway443 10y ago
    Check out the Top100 links to get an idea how the site is used.
    - dragandj 10y ago
      All I can see is that people use it to advertise the TOC of their folders. The links do not even guarantee that the files in those folders match description. But, I don't see what TPB has with that? None of these is on TPB. The users don't even use TPB to connect, but to get magnet links that are only an entrance to the network. If I post this here: a4c5fd525f15cf929d6a38b0ccb854b4f88b2385 what can you claim about that hash?
      - techthroway443 10y ago
        Right... and the advertised TOC of their folders is mostly what? 99.999% linux distros I presume?
        dragandj 10y ago
        That's their private concern. TPB is not a busybody.
        techthroway443 10y ago
        What? Edit: Why am I getting downvoted? Have you clicked on this page: https://www.thepiratebay.org/top/all https://www.thepiratebay.org/top/all Wtf is the point of acting like TPB is a legit site where the main focus is not to spread copyrighted material? Are you that fucking daft?
        rhizome 10y ago
        Craigslist is not responsible for what is done with hammers acquired through its website.
benmcnelly 10y ago
The argument here as indicated above is much more important than copyright issues. semi-convoluted analogy time! I want to start off with a statement of empathy and understanding for people who have their name slandered online when someone reviews their shop/eatery. Now lets say someone comes onto that shops site, and leaves a bitter unsightly comment, I don't think anyone would argue that they are within their right to delete that from their site, as much as they could leave it up and respond to it at their discretion. Now lets say, that someone comes onto your site, and leaves a comment about this persons shop. your site could be a review site, or just a general discussion site. Either way, when the shop owner comes to you and asks you to remove the comment, you have every right to do so, or to decide not to. If I see someone come along and FORCE someone (you) to take down a review or comment, I would be very upset about that. I mean, its not my site, but when I see your rights get trampled on, even though I empathize with the trampler, I have to take your side on this. All this to say, people who take obvious black and white issues and use those to further their agenda do not reserve the right to be unchallenged in process. We all agree that killing people is terrible, but we don't all agree that abortion is wrong. We all agree that giving to people is great, but we don't all buy into a universal basic income. We all agree copyright protection is there for the artist, and that stealing things is bad, but some people think that the argument of what constitutes data you can control and can't has farther reaching consequences than piracy.