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I don't know their exact involvement, but they were involved. Did they help carry it out? I don't have the play by play. It wasn't a court case and I didn't car

I don't know their exact involvement, but they were involved. Did they help carry it out? I don't have the play by play. It wasn't a court case and I didn't care. The guys who drove off with it it were staying at their place that night. I knew it was one of two groups of folks or all of them at the house that evening. So I knew damn well I had the right people who could get the situation resolved in an efficient manner. You're right they didn't snitch, amazingly. They thought they were tough guys. Maybe even as they were beaten to their knees? For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out. But they were going to snitch eventually whether they thought they were going to or not.

Chris2048 10y ago
Sound like you had no idea if these guys had been involved in taking your TV, you just knew they where involved with the group that did. If a bunch of guys broke into your place in similar circumstances, would you be ok with that? > For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.
- vinceguidry 10y ago
  Yep. Now tell me something. You ever gonna steal this man's TV? Or be involved with the kinds of people that would?
  - Chris2048 10y ago
    Guilt by association? So if anyone attacks his friends or family, alls fair, because they chose to associate with the kind of person that would illegally invade someones house with a mob...
    - vinceguidry 10y ago
      If someone attacked his friends or family, God help them, because nobody else will. Fairness is not a universal concept. What is fair is determined by who has the bigger clan and the most guns. Some places, that's the state. In far more places than you would believe, the state is too weak to enforce its version of justice, so it's left up to men like Buck and his brother. Are they going to do it to your standards? Probably not. So it's on you to not piss them off.
      - Chris2048 10y ago
        All for the sake of a stolen TV? I seriously doubt Bucks "nice guy" credentials if he resorts to home invasion for his own satisfaction.
        BuckRogers 10y ago
        Come on. I probably shouldn't respond to your post. But spoken like someone who have never been taken advantage of. Or had so much provided that you didn't care. And home invasion for my own satisfaction? Yes I love fighting for my dignity. It feels great to be walked on. It wasn't just a "TV". It was my only possession worth anything at all. I've worked nonstop since I was 12. I started working on a farm (not my farm, we had no farm, it was the neighbor's) and delivering papers. No one has ever given me a thing. I was born fighting in my childhood, literally fighting almost daily. My money has come very hard earned. As has any career advancement, skill acquisition. I've never been given a job through a network connection, I don't have a network. I had a full hernia on my right side at 16 from manual labor. And I have a strong sense of justice when something is wrong, like breaking in and taking a poor working guy's $700 television. I was working 35 hours a week to pay for going to school fulltime. That may not have been much money to you, but it was to me. I felt very taken advantage of. You must not know what it feels like to have little and have everything taken from you because it's likely you've had a better existence or maybe life didn't require much grit to get through. I've clawed my way to where I am now. I never had any money. No ones going to take what I have, not a TV, nothing. Even to this day when I have a lot more. Doesn't matter how little it is, over my dead body. Damn right, all for the sake of a "TV". I am a nice person. I do have some anger but I wouldn't harm a soul that didn't have it coming. I defended the homosexual kids who were bullied in my high school way back when. Verbally and physically. No one did that in the rural midwest. I hated seeing people get picked on. I rarely, if ever picked on anyone. But I have squared off with men who thought I was a target, you'll have to beat me to the ground I'm not quitting. As a developer, I believe people who say "I can't" should be fired on the spot. I feel like I'm ready for retirement and I'm not old. Everything seems like an obstacle. I'm completely sympathetic with poor people in the US and around the world. Hell, I'm a Bernie supporter. But if robbed or my wife is hurt, I'm going to come after you and I'll haunt you like a ghost. There's a lot of different people on HN. People have different experiences and different perspectives. I think you're over the top with the 'satisfying home invasion' talk though. I know the odds of success when you don't start life at the finish line. People born at the finish line think they've accomplished something. Yeah so what, I've been involved in what is basically gang violence. Not everyone is going to match up with your exact sensibilities.
- BuckRogers 10y ago
  You sound like you're trying to win some debate. You shouldn't assume things about someone else's story to win one. Creating your own strawman then proceeding to beat it up about how I invaded their home. When we 'blasted in' we didn't kick the door in. We knocked, started quizzing the guy who answered the door about the TV, one of them said to come on in and look around. Then we blasted in. The gun could've gotten him killed. He pulled it out but clearly wasn't willing to use it, he waved it around as if we were going to be scared. I wasn't, he got it ripped from his hands then he was beaten to the ground his own gun. This kind of non-macho posturing is typical. Then we got that stupid gun out the door and settled it. Anyway this wasn't that big of a deal, just a robbery resolved as cordially as you can in an efficient manner. It worked out for both parties. Especially well for them, considering they were involved with breaking, entering and theft. Not to mention whatever charge comes with pulling a gun out threatening to kill people. He did say he'd shoot us. I'd say they got off rather easy, other than bruised egos. They were my neighbors and I assure you, they didn't want anything to do with me again. You seem touchy about it for some reason like you were on the receiving end of a similar situation. I personally don't like to be taken advantage of or have my home robbed? This was a relatively tame story I was willing to post publicly. Zavodnik, has no idea what waits for him out there. It's not all fun and games when you play with peoples lives as he does. Wait till he finds someone intelligent, aggressive, willing to go to the edge or slightly over the rule of law and with a strong sense of justice. Street justice, not the courts. I could be that man for sure, but like most people reading this- I would only interrupt my life for someone who affected my family. Possibly a local child rapist or similar heinous criminal could face my wrath. It would take something like that to activate my mob violence gene. That guy just needs some anonymous midnight beatings by some of the victims and their families and he'll stop. Yeah it's the "wrong answer!" even though our nation-state does much worse. He's just gotten off with zero retaliation so far so he's going to continue to stay within the rules but abuse our judicial system.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
    > That guy just needs some anonymous midnight beatings > Possibly a local child rapist or similar heinous criminal could face my wrath. It would take something like that to activate my mob violence gene Jesus Christ.
- chillacy 10y ago
  > It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home. In a lot of states it would be reasonable to use the gun too.

Chris2048 10y ago

Sound like you had no idea if these guys had been involved in taking your TV, you just knew they where involved with the group that did. If a bunch of guys broke into your place in similar circumstances, would you be ok with that? > For the record, they weren't harmed until they pulled a gun out It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home.

vinceguidry 10y ago
Yep. Now tell me something. You ever gonna steal this man's TV? Or be involved with the kinds of people that would?
- Chris2048 10y ago
  Guilt by association? So if anyone attacks his friends or family, alls fair, because they chose to associate with the kind of person that would illegally invade someones house with a mob...
  - vinceguidry 10y ago
    If someone attacked his friends or family, God help them, because nobody else will. Fairness is not a universal concept. What is fair is determined by who has the bigger clan and the most guns. Some places, that's the state. In far more places than you would believe, the state is too weak to enforce its version of justice, so it's left up to men like Buck and his brother. Are they going to do it to your standards? Probably not. So it's on you to not piss them off.
    - Chris2048 10y ago
      All for the sake of a stolen TV? I seriously doubt Bucks "nice guy" credentials if he resorts to home invasion for his own satisfaction.
      - BuckRogers 10y ago
        Come on. I probably shouldn't respond to your post. But spoken like someone who have never been taken advantage of. Or had so much provided that you didn't care. And home invasion for my own satisfaction? Yes I love fighting for my dignity. It feels great to be walked on. It wasn't just a "TV". It was my only possession worth anything at all. I've worked nonstop since I was 12. I started working on a farm (not my farm, we had no farm, it was the neighbor's) and delivering papers. No one has ever given me a thing. I was born fighting in my childhood, literally fighting almost daily. My money has come very hard earned. As has any career advancement, skill acquisition. I've never been given a job through a network connection, I don't have a network. I had a full hernia on my right side at 16 from manual labor. And I have a strong sense of justice when something is wrong, like breaking in and taking a poor working guy's $700 television. I was working 35 hours a week to pay for going to school fulltime. That may not have been much money to you, but it was to me. I felt very taken advantage of. You must not know what it feels like to have little and have everything taken from you because it's likely you've had a better existence or maybe life didn't require much grit to get through. I've clawed my way to where I am now. I never had any money. No ones going to take what I have, not a TV, nothing. Even to this day when I have a lot more. Doesn't matter how little it is, over my dead body. Damn right, all for the sake of a "TV". I am a nice person. I do have some anger but I wouldn't harm a soul that didn't have it coming. I defended the homosexual kids who were bullied in my high school way back when. Verbally and physically. No one did that in the rural midwest. I hated seeing people get picked on. I rarely, if ever picked on anyone. But I have squared off with men who thought I was a target, you'll have to beat me to the ground I'm not quitting. As a developer, I believe people who say "I can't" should be fired on the spot. I feel like I'm ready for retirement and I'm not old. Everything seems like an obstacle. I'm completely sympathetic with poor people in the US and around the world. Hell, I'm a Bernie supporter. But if robbed or my wife is hurt, I'm going to come after you and I'll haunt you like a ghost. There's a lot of different people on HN. People have different experiences and different perspectives. I think you're over the top with the 'satisfying home invasion' talk though. I know the odds of success when you don't start life at the finish line. People born at the finish line think they've accomplished something. Yeah so what, I've been involved in what is basically gang violence. Not everyone is going to match up with your exact sensibilities.
BuckRogers 10y ago
You sound like you're trying to win some debate. You shouldn't assume things about someone else's story to win one. Creating your own strawman then proceeding to beat it up about how I invaded their home. When we 'blasted in' we didn't kick the door in. We knocked, started quizzing the guy who answered the door about the TV, one of them said to come on in and look around. Then we blasted in. The gun could've gotten him killed. He pulled it out but clearly wasn't willing to use it, he waved it around as if we were going to be scared. I wasn't, he got it ripped from his hands then he was beaten to the ground his own gun. This kind of non-macho posturing is typical. Then we got that stupid gun out the door and settled it. Anyway this wasn't that big of a deal, just a robbery resolved as cordially as you can in an efficient manner. It worked out for both parties. Especially well for them, considering they were involved with breaking, entering and theft. Not to mention whatever charge comes with pulling a gun out threatening to kill people. He did say he'd shoot us. I'd say they got off rather easy, other than bruised egos. They were my neighbors and I assure you, they didn't want anything to do with me again. You seem touchy about it for some reason like you were on the receiving end of a similar situation. I personally don't like to be taken advantage of or have my home robbed? This was a relatively tame story I was willing to post publicly. Zavodnik, has no idea what waits for him out there. It's not all fun and games when you play with peoples lives as he does. Wait till he finds someone intelligent, aggressive, willing to go to the edge or slightly over the rule of law and with a strong sense of justice. Street justice, not the courts. I could be that man for sure, but like most people reading this- I would only interrupt my life for someone who affected my family. Possibly a local child rapist or similar heinous criminal could face my wrath. It would take something like that to activate my mob violence gene. That guy just needs some anonymous midnight beatings by some of the victims and their families and he'll stop. Yeah it's the "wrong answer!" even though our nation-state does much worse. He's just gotten off with zero retaliation so far so he's going to continue to stay within the rules but abuse our judicial system.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 10y ago
  > That guy just needs some anonymous midnight beatings > Possibly a local child rapist or similar heinous criminal could face my wrath. It would take something like that to activate my mob violence gene Jesus Christ.
chillacy 10y ago
> It seems reasonable to pull a gun on a bunch of strangers invading your home. In a lot of states it would be reasonable to use the gun too.