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I believe you miss the point. Stating that foreign students cheap more, implies that simply being foreign is what increases your chance of cheating. When in fac

I believe you miss the point. Stating that foreign students cheap more, implies that simply being foreign is what increases your chance of cheating. When in fact it would have been more accurate to say 3rd world students cheat more. Of course that wouldn't have been politically correct so it gets watered down. The reason this matters is that e.g. in Japan, foreigners are described as the source of all sorts of problems, because yes statistically speaking if you throw everybody who is a foreigner into one group and run statistics on them they are significantly overrepresented on a number of bad things. That means you would struggle with getting things like an apartment because simply being foreign labels you. I guess in a screwed up way some people might thing this is a more democratic form of racism. But I don't think it is a step forward when we "democratize" prejudices by creating artificial groups of people and discriminating based on that. Would it somehow be more fear if we in Europe regarded the US as dangerous as Mexico because we artificially picked the whole of north America including Mexico to make generalizations about everybody living there?

rdtsc 10y ago
It is a correlation based heuristic. Quantifying and splitting countries into 1st, 2nd, 3rd world would be a bit too much. Where to make the cut-offs? As a cohort, and looking simply at correlation being a foreign student in US seems to be correlated with cheating. And I speak this as a former foreign student as well. > Stating that foreign students cheap more, implies that simply being foreign is what increases your chance of cheating. Not quite. The article does go into more details showing that a large number of foreign students are Chinese. So it is not as simple as being from another country. Being a foreign student in US doesn't imply being a random sample from all of the world's countries. India and China account for the majority of students and the article does focus on China quite a bit. > When in fact it would have been more accurate to say 3rd world students cheat more Ok thinking about it some more. Isn't that more problematic. Is China a 3rd world country? What does 3rd world even mean anymore? Wouldn't that be deeply insulting to them? > That means you would struggle with getting things like an apartment because simply being foreign labels you. I would struggle, agreed. But that is their country and if a simple heuristic works for them, well it works for them. Perhaps expanding energy and inquiring what country tenants are coming from or white/blacklisting nationalities, religions, countries and managing rules based on that is just too troublesome so they look at a general correlation. > I guess in a screwed up way some people might thing this is a more democratic form of racism It is not quite the same. Unless it is really about another persons' skin color. But it is not, it is about cheating, crime, and so on. It so happens that is also correlated with certain nationalities, cultures or skin colors. Haven't been to Japan. Maybe they are really that racist, but I wouldn't be surprised if landlords just don't want to get ripped off, and managing profits and risk is what they worry about. > Would it somehow be more fear if we in Europe regarded the US as dangerous as Mexico because we artificially picked the whole of north America including Mexico to make generalizations about everybody living there? Fair to who? Maybe it would be fair to you if say you were flooded by lots of people from North America who committed crimes, picked pockets, stole, started fights in the street, threw trash all over. It might not be fair some people from US who don't behave that way typically, but the world doesn't operate on fairness.

rdtsc 10y ago

It is a correlation based heuristic. Quantifying and splitting countries into 1st, 2nd, 3rd world would be a bit too much. Where to make the cut-offs? As a cohort, and looking simply at correlation being a foreign student in US seems to be correlated with cheating. And I speak this as a former foreign student as well. > Stating that foreign students cheap more, implies that simply being foreign is what increases your chance of cheating. Not quite. The article does go into more details showing that a large number of foreign students are Chinese. So it is not as simple as being from another country. Being a foreign student in US doesn't imply being a random sample from all of the world's countries. India and China account for the majority of students and the article does focus on China quite a bit. > When in fact it would have been more accurate to say 3rd world students cheat more Ok thinking about it some more. Isn't that more problematic. Is China a 3rd world country? What does 3rd world even mean anymore? Wouldn't that be deeply insulting to them? > That means you would struggle with getting things like an apartment because simply being foreign labels you. I would struggle, agreed. But that is their country and if a simple heuristic works for them, well it works for them. Perhaps expanding energy and inquiring what country tenants are coming from or white/blacklisting nationalities, religions, countries and managing rules based on that is just too troublesome so they look at a general correlation. > I guess in a screwed up way some people might thing this is a more democratic form of racism It is not quite the same. Unless it is really about another persons' skin color. But it is not, it is about cheating, crime, and so on. It so happens that is also correlated with certain nationalities, cultures or skin colors. Haven't been to Japan. Maybe they are really that racist, but I wouldn't be surprised if landlords just don't want to get ripped off, and managing profits and risk is what they worry about. > Would it somehow be more fear if we in Europe regarded the US as dangerous as Mexico because we artificially picked the whole of north America including Mexico to make generalizations about everybody living there? Fair to who? Maybe it would be fair to you if say you were flooded by lots of people from North America who committed crimes, picked pockets, stole, started fights in the street, threw trash all over. It might not be fair some people from US who don't behave that way typically, but the world doesn't operate on fairness.