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The fact that you felt that you needed seven lines of pull-quotes to repudiate the "misleading" title is a pretty good indicator that titles are, um, titles and

by cwyers 10y ago

The fact that you felt that you needed seven lines of pull-quotes to repudiate the "misleading" title is a pretty good indicator that titles are, um, titles and thus cannot carry as much information as one might want. But even after reading the material you quoted, I don't see the title of this submission as inaccurate.

Leszek 10y ago
I think removing the word "deprecated" would go a long way towards making the title less misleading.
- ebbv 10y ago
  Well deprecated may not be exactly the right word, but there's not a single word that is totally accurate. Maybe "sunsetting"? :P
  - crucialfelix 10y ago
    That's essentially what deprecated means. It is discouraged to start new projects with it. It doesn't mean that it's dead, but we seem to always take it that way.
    - bobbyi_settv 10y ago
      Deprecated implies "will stop being supported soon, so you should stop using it as soon as you can". Maintenance mode implies "will continue to be supported for critical things like security fixes, but won't get new features, so there is no hurry to stop using it if you are fine with it staying in its current form forever".
      - true_religion 10y ago
        Actually deprecated implies a deprecation timeline, which can be on the order of years. Python 2 was deprecated when Python 3 was released, but the timeline of transition was over 10+ years. Django has deprecation timelines that last over 1.5 years. In Enterprise, its often seen to have deprecation last 7 years. During deprecation, only maintenance is performed. That is---security fixes. The real difference between deprecation and "maintenance mode" is that the later is indefinite and implies continuation until profit-loss. AWSv2 isn't in maintenance mode, its deprecated. Eventually Amazon may stop offering it, and doesn't want you to start using it, but while its in operation that doesn't mean they won't close security holes in services that offer it.
fridek 10y ago
Well, how about using the original title - "Surge Focus on Material 2"? It seems more appropriate as nothing in the discussion included a notice on deprecating the 1.x branch.
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- dang 10y ago
  Since people are concerned with Material 1, we've replaced the title with what seems to be the most representative phrase from the article about Material 1. I couldn't fit in the bit about bugs in the 80 char limit. (Submitted title was "Google deprecating Angular 1.x Material library and is just closing issues and PRs", which was wrongly editorialized, since the article apparently doesn't say they're 'deprecating' the library, and 'just' is just spin. Submitters: please don't rewrite titles to put your spin on a topic, especially not to gin up controversy. If a title is misleading or linkbait, it's ok to rewrite it (see the HN guidelines), but the new title needs to be accurate and neutral, and should preferably use representative language from the article itself.)
  - mst 10y ago
    Given the exact words of the post, I'd've added "for Q3", since they didn't say the maintenance mode is permanent. Not sure if that helps that much though.
subzidion 10y ago
I think the issue is saying they are "just" closing issues and PR's.

by cwyers 10y ago

Leszek 10y ago

I think removing the word "deprecated" would go a long way towards making the title less misleading.

ebbv 10y ago
Well deprecated may not be exactly the right word, but there's not a single word that is totally accurate. Maybe "sunsetting"? :P
- crucialfelix 10y ago
  That's essentially what deprecated means. It is discouraged to start new projects with it. It doesn't mean that it's dead, but we seem to always take it that way.
  - bobbyi_settv 10y ago
    Deprecated implies "will stop being supported soon, so you should stop using it as soon as you can". Maintenance mode implies "will continue to be supported for critical things like security fixes, but won't get new features, so there is no hurry to stop using it if you are fine with it staying in its current form forever".
    - true_religion 10y ago
      Actually deprecated implies a deprecation timeline, which can be on the order of years. Python 2 was deprecated when Python 3 was released, but the timeline of transition was over 10+ years. Django has deprecation timelines that last over 1.5 years. In Enterprise, its often seen to have deprecation last 7 years. During deprecation, only maintenance is performed. That is---security fixes. The real difference between deprecation and "maintenance mode" is that the later is indefinite and implies continuation until profit-loss. AWSv2 isn't in maintenance mode, its deprecated. Eventually Amazon may stop offering it, and doesn't want you to start using it, but while its in operation that doesn't mean they won't close security holes in services that offer it.

fridek 10y ago

Well, how about using the original title - "Surge Focus on Material 2"? It seems more appropriate as nothing in the discussion included a notice on deprecating the 1.x branch.

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dang 10y ago
Since people are concerned with Material 1, we've replaced the title with what seems to be the most representative phrase from the article about Material 1. I couldn't fit in the bit about bugs in the 80 char limit. (Submitted title was "Google deprecating Angular 1.x Material library and is just closing issues and PRs", which was wrongly editorialized, since the article apparently doesn't say they're 'deprecating' the library, and 'just' is just spin. Submitters: please don't rewrite titles to put your spin on a topic, especially not to gin up controversy. If a title is misleading or linkbait, it's ok to rewrite it (see the HN guidelines), but the new title needs to be accurate and neutral, and should preferably use representative language from the article itself.)
- mst 10y ago
  Given the exact words of the post, I'd've added "for Q3", since they didn't say the maintenance mode is permanent. Not sure if that helps that much though.

subzidion 10y ago

I think the issue is saying they are "just" closing issues and PR's.