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> When you move the complexity to systemd, it's not magically goes away You're ignoring that complexity was added to every single init script. Every init scrip

> When you move the complexity to systemd, it's not magically goes away You're ignoring that complexity was added to every single init script. Every init script had its own potential bugs, issues, race conditions, dependency logic, etc etc. Now you're moving it to one single master system. No, it's not "magically going away". The repetition is going away. The code duplication of an extremely complex system is going away.

snaky 10y ago
The repetition is easy. Any modern Linux distro solved the repetition problem long ago. You don't need systemd monster for that. depend() { need localmount after bootmisc } reload() { ebegin "Reloading configuration" start-stop-daemon --signal HUP --pidfile ${pidfile} ${command##*/} eend $? }
- scrollaway 10y ago
  systemd the init system is by no means a monster (may I remind you and everyone else again that -resolved is merely a project under the systemd umbrella). I'm not even sure where to begin when addressing a comment like this. You're biased against systemd in the first place so I don't see the point in discussing this. It's really amusing that basic software engineering principles are thrown out of the window the moment things get political.
  - snaky 10y ago
    The modularity of systemd-the-monster is greatly overrated. The "basic software engineering principles" you are talking about are not about tightly-coupled interdependent in and out ball of mud with no documented protocols and APIs. Things get political that very second back then when systemd crowd started pushing their agenda to the masses using strategies like gentle push.
- vidarh 10y ago
  You do, however, need e.g. an init that knows what to do about orphaned processes, or the above is not reliable. It also does not provide any ability to guarantee that process remains running without something other than the typical init, nor to ensure logging is done properly, or enforce resource limits. To provide the features "just" the init replacement part of systemd provides isn't even possible with most other inits, no matter how you write your script.
digi_owl 10y ago
An artifact of sysv, not of scripts. . filename or source filename allow one script to effectively import another. This means that the various logic can live in one place and be reused.

snaky 10y ago

The repetition is easy. Any modern Linux distro solved the repetition problem long ago. You don't need systemd monster for that. depend() { need localmount after bootmisc } reload() { ebegin "Reloading configuration" start-stop-daemon --signal HUP --pidfile ${pidfile} ${command##*/} eend $? }

scrollaway 10y ago
systemd the init system is by no means a monster (may I remind you and everyone else again that -resolved is merely a project under the systemd umbrella). I'm not even sure where to begin when addressing a comment like this. You're biased against systemd in the first place so I don't see the point in discussing this. It's really amusing that basic software engineering principles are thrown out of the window the moment things get political.
- snaky 10y ago
  The modularity of systemd-the-monster is greatly overrated. The "basic software engineering principles" you are talking about are not about tightly-coupled interdependent in and out ball of mud with no documented protocols and APIs. Things get political that very second back then when systemd crowd started pushing their agenda to the masses using strategies like gentle push.
vidarh 10y ago
You do, however, need e.g. an init that knows what to do about orphaned processes, or the above is not reliable. It also does not provide any ability to guarantee that process remains running without something other than the typical init, nor to ensure logging is done properly, or enforce resource limits. To provide the features "just" the init replacement part of systemd provides isn't even possible with most other inits, no matter how you write your script.

digi_owl 10y ago

An artifact of sysv, not of scripts. . filename or source filename allow one script to effectively import another. This means that the various logic can live in one place and be reused.