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There won't be Windows 11. That's why all of this is happening -- Microsoft changing the model. (Almost) nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to upd

There won't be Windows 11. That's why all of this is happening -- Microsoft changing the model. (Almost) nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to update Android to the next version -- it just happens. That's what Microsoft is doing right now.

origami777 10y ago
Does it do the same thing in Android? I'm on iOS and I still have a choice. There's a million popups, but I have a choice.
- captainmuon 10y ago
  Naw, it's almost the opposite I'd say. Many phones (esp. if you don't buy it directly but get it from your carrier) stop seeing updates very quickly. If you want to stay up-to-date, you have to install a custom ROM or buy a new phone.
mhurron 10y ago
> nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to update Android to the next version That's because it doesn't happen. You get a new version of Android when you buy a new phone.
- rajeevk 10y ago
  Not always.. Once I decided not to upgrade. But it used to pop up every now and then and I used to cancel the notification. Once by mistake, I pressed ok and there was no way to cancel the update. Then it bloated my phone(Samsung S4) like anything and phone keeps complaining out of disk space and I have to keep deleting my photos(and also uninstall apps) for getting more and more space for the stupid android it's own junk
creshal 10y ago
> (Almost) nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to update Android to the next version Because updating to a new Android version doesn't break my apps, my hardware, nor my workflows. Meanwhile, every Windows major releases deprecates entire classes of hardware (Need a working parallel port? Too bad!), breaks various kinds of business critical software, and completely restructures the UX so that people have to re-learn how to do trivial things.
- AnkhMorporkian 10y ago
  > Need a working parallel port? Too bad! Can you elaborate? I have Windows 10 and my parallel port is working just dandy.
  - creshal 10y ago
    Did Microsoft not remove direct hardware access to it as early as Vista/7, breaking various parallel port dongles?
realusername 10y ago
That's the theory, in practice with the very short support and the vendor versions, Android just never gets updated. People are just buying new phones.
- cm3 10y ago
  Which is probably why you can get $50 phones on AliExpress, and maybe the only way to have an up to date Android phone without shelling out 300 or 600 dollars.
Silhouette 10y ago
There won't be Windows 11. That's why all of this is happening -- Microsoft changing the model. They'd like everyone to believe that, but I suspect the picture will look quite different by the start of 2020 when Windows 7 support runs out. It's certainly possible that MS will win this one through sheer determination, but it's certainly also possible that their senior management will be removed and the replacements will steer the ship back towards a more traditional and trusted path, and there's also a significant chance that with so long to go some other party will mount a credible attack on Microsoft's dominance on the desktop by then.
- Piskvorrr 10y ago
  Finally, The Year Of Linux On The Desktop! :D :D :D (Probably not :))
  - Silhouette 10y ago
    I can't see any of the current Linux distros taking over desktops in any big way, even with Microsoft's current strategy, by 2020. The application base just isn't there. In this context, I think Linux has most potential as the foundation for more targeted platforms that might compete for specific niches within the traditional desktop space, along the lines of Chrome OS or SteamOS. Android has shown that you can build a very successful, very widely used platform on top of Linux within the kind of time frame we're talking about here.

origami777 10y ago

Does it do the same thing in Android? I'm on iOS and I still have a choice. There's a million popups, but I have a choice.

captainmuon 10y ago
Naw, it's almost the opposite I'd say. Many phones (esp. if you don't buy it directly but get it from your carrier) stop seeing updates very quickly. If you want to stay up-to-date, you have to install a custom ROM or buy a new phone.

mhurron 10y ago

> nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to update Android to the next version That's because it doesn't happen. You get a new version of Android when you buy a new phone.

rajeevk 10y ago
Not always.. Once I decided not to upgrade. But it used to pop up every now and then and I used to cancel the notification. Once by mistake, I pressed ok and there was no way to cancel the update. Then it bloated my phone(Samsung S4) like anything and phone keeps complaining out of disk space and I have to keep deleting my photos(and also uninstall apps) for getting more and more space for the stupid android it's own junk

creshal 10y ago

> (Almost) nobody is complaining about Google forcing them to update Android to the next version Because updating to a new Android version doesn't break my apps, my hardware, nor my workflows. Meanwhile, every Windows major releases deprecates entire classes of hardware (Need a working parallel port? Too bad!), breaks various kinds of business critical software, and completely restructures the UX so that people have to re-learn how to do trivial things.

AnkhMorporkian 10y ago
> Need a working parallel port? Too bad! Can you elaborate? I have Windows 10 and my parallel port is working just dandy.
- creshal 10y ago
  Did Microsoft not remove direct hardware access to it as early as Vista/7, breaking various parallel port dongles?

realusername 10y ago

That's the theory, in practice with the very short support and the vendor versions, Android just never gets updated. People are just buying new phones.

cm3 10y ago
Which is probably why you can get $50 phones on AliExpress, and maybe the only way to have an up to date Android phone without shelling out 300 or 600 dollars.

Silhouette 10y ago

There won't be Windows 11. That's why all of this is happening -- Microsoft changing the model. They'd like everyone to believe that, but I suspect the picture will look quite different by the start of 2020 when Windows 7 support runs out. It's certainly possible that MS will win this one through sheer determination, but it's certainly also possible that their senior management will be removed and the replacements will steer the ship back towards a more traditional and trusted path, and there's also a significant chance that with so long to go some other party will mount a credible attack on Microsoft's dominance on the desktop by then.

Piskvorrr 10y ago
Finally, The Year Of Linux On The Desktop! :D :D :D (Probably not :))
- Silhouette 10y ago
  I can't see any of the current Linux distros taking over desktops in any big way, even with Microsoft's current strategy, by 2020. The application base just isn't there. In this context, I think Linux has most potential as the foundation for more targeted platforms that might compete for specific niches within the traditional desktop space, along the lines of Chrome OS or SteamOS. Android has shown that you can build a very successful, very widely used platform on top of Linux within the kind of time frame we're talking about here.