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Joshua Gay pointed out the website to me over on Facebook, and said, go ahead and delete this if you like, and I replied: I'm not going to delete it. That woul

by shava23 10y ago

Joshua Gay pointed out the website to me over on Facebook, and said, go ahead and delete this if you like, and I replied: I'm not going to delete it. That would be ridiculous considering my history. People can go look for themselves and ponder what this process means in comparison to any other sort of process that would be sane, safe, and consensual -- and accountable -- for all the people involved. That site talks a great deal about the failings of the formal systems, but it really doesn't particularly seem to me to account for thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crucible I am not impressed. I am so not impressed. Even if it is 100% true, I am not impressed. And I am sorry for the victims if that is the case, and I apologize if they are doing this in good faith but it's wrong, and it opens up such potential for horrible horrible things in the future that they just haven't properly conceived of yet. I am a feminist, and I have been raped, as many women have. And I say that this is WRONG. And I am a woman with Asperger's and I was chronically bullied and manipulated by asshats when I was younger, and I believe this is wrong. The places this leads are a very fucked up rabbit hole and series of rabbit holes that go to a place that is not Wonderland, and where the drugs are not as pleasant as Dodson's epileptic fancies. So Jake, if Jake is this predator, and say he is. Who is the next person that this is used against, this Blair Witch Predator doxxing? How popular will it become? Will it become the next GamerGate trend? Will we find TLAs stirring up little Stasi sites like this? Or maybe just creating them for fun. How about our friends in Italy, or any of the state sponsored hacker funhouses, this site is so stylish, they could throw something like this up in an afternoon, for any of us. Even me. Even you? Do you have any oppo research? Anyone at FSF? Eben Moglen? rms? Any of my old friends? I'm sure we all have something worth digging up. I've done oppo. We all do. Let's make this perfectly acceptable in our community. Let's make it meaningful. Let some real HELL into our lives, Joshua. We can make our community hell on earth. All we have to do is let the provocateurs be us. This is the fastest route away from nonviolence theory and the Beloved Community and straight down that primrose path.

pdkl95 10y ago
> Even if it is 100% true, I am not impressed. You are not the only person to come to that conclusion. The entire situation is bizarre. Usually highly rational people are suddenly acting like an angry mob. Requests for information and explanation are ignored or shunned. > We can make our community hell on earth. I've been watching major parts of free, democratic society crumble for several decades. Normally change is slow, but recently we seem to be accelerating the transition into hell. The transition isn't limited to just our community: the same attitudes that treat accusations as evidence and polarize people into ideological tribes resulted in violence at a recent political rally in San Jose. Tribalism is growing rapidly, and I am absolutely terrified that society is far closer to the breaking point than anybody realizes. > All we have to do is let the provocateurs be us. As Walt Kelly famously said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  > As Walt Kelly famously said, "We have met the enemy and he is us." While I do share your worries, here's the context :) > Traces of nobility, gentleness and courage persist in all people, do what we will to stamp out the trend. So, too, do those characteristics which are ugly. It is just unfortunate that in the clumsy hands of a cartoonist all traits become ridiculous, leading to a certain amount of self-conscious expostulation and the desire to join battle. > There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tinny blast on tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us. > Forward! -- Walt Kelly, foreword of "The Pogo Papers"

by shava23 10y ago

pdkl95 10y ago

> Even if it is 100% true, I am not impressed. You are not the only person to come to that conclusion. The entire situation is bizarre. Usually highly rational people are suddenly acting like an angry mob. Requests for information and explanation are ignored or shunned. > We can make our community hell on earth. I've been watching major parts of free, democratic society crumble for several decades. Normally change is slow, but recently we seem to be accelerating the transition into hell. The transition isn't limited to just our community: the same attitudes that treat accusations as evidence and polarize people into ideological tribes resulted in violence at a recent political rally in San Jose. Tribalism is growing rapidly, and I am absolutely terrified that society is far closer to the breaking point than anybody realizes. > All we have to do is let the provocateurs be us. As Walt Kelly famously said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

PavlovsCat 10y ago
> As Walt Kelly famously said, "We have met the enemy and he is us." While I do share your worries, here's the context :) > Traces of nobility, gentleness and courage persist in all people, do what we will to stamp out the trend. So, too, do those characteristics which are ugly. It is just unfortunate that in the clumsy hands of a cartoonist all traits become ridiculous, leading to a certain amount of self-conscious expostulation and the desire to join battle. > There is no need to sally forth, for it remains true that those things which make us human are, curiously enough, always close at hand. Resolve then, that on this very ground, with small flags waving and tinny blast on tiny trumpets, we shall meet the enemy, and not only may he be ours, he may be us. > Forward! -- Walt Kelly, foreword of "The Pogo Papers"