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Previously: 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11831629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11831629 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837901 ht

by byoogle 10y ago

Previously: 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11831629 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11831629 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837901 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11837901

smartbit 10y ago
3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842301 with this [0] notable comment "Now that Nick has written his story however, it goes back on the front page of HN and the comments here basically support it as totally credible. ... Don't get me wrong, I very very much think that Nick should write up his story and feelings. But I think a lot of people need to examine themselves closely for why they couldn't believe the women who shared their stories yesterday, but now can today." Jake doesn't mention Nick Farr's accusation. I've been missing Nick the last years at C3 too. Now I know Nick's side of the story, I wonder how the CCC Vorstand [1] and Jake react to censoring the Lightning Talk? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842977 [1] http://www.ccc.de/vorstand http://www.ccc.de/vorstand
- petertodd 10y ago
  > "But I think a lot of people need to examine themselves closely for why they couldn't believe the women who shared their stories yesterday, but now can today." I think this shows how putting your reputation on the line when you accuse someone makes the accusation itself far more powerful and likely to believed; remember that no-one has yet publicly and non-anonymously(1) accused him of rape directly, but rather, have only said that others have accused him. I hope that if these allegations are true, people in addition to Nick Farr will have the bravery to go public with them - that's what's needed to actually put a stop to abusers. 1) In this context, "non-anonymously" includes commonly used pseudonyms of course - the legal names of people aren't what's important, but rather the identities they commonly use.
  - hackuser 10y ago
    > I think this shows how putting your reputation on the line when you accuse someone makes the accusation itself far more powerful and likely to believed I agree, but that has to be balanced with the costs, and especially the costs to rape victims.
- zealotmonkey 10y ago
  In 2013, before, and during 30c3, Jacob Appelbaum suspected, and made claims, including one before the European Parliament, that he was under surveillance[0]. Since at least 2010, Jacob Appelbaum had been detained at airports and had his computer seized, multiple times. Despite this, Nick Farr, at 30c3, during the time period in which Jacob Applebaum heavily suspected he was under surveillance, and was presenting talks about classified NSA material, thought it would be friendly to permit a lightning talk that alleged that Jacob Applebaum was working for an intelligence agency, and then, without the actual talk happening, delete all records of that allegation when Applebaum, who thought he was under surveillance, requested information pertaining to that possibility. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Journalism [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Detention_and_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Detention_and_...

by byoogle 10y ago

smartbit 10y ago

3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842301 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842301 with this [0] notable comment "Now that Nick has written his story however, it goes back on the front page of HN and the comments here basically support it as totally credible. ... Don't get me wrong, I very very much think that Nick should write up his story and feelings. But I think a lot of people need to examine themselves closely for why they couldn't believe the women who shared their stories yesterday, but now can today." Jake doesn't mention Nick Farr's accusation. I've been missing Nick the last years at C3 too. Now I know Nick's side of the story, I wonder how the CCC Vorstand [1] and Jake react to censoring the Lightning Talk? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842977 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11842977 [1] http://www.ccc.de/vorstand http://www.ccc.de/vorstand

petertodd 10y ago
> "But I think a lot of people need to examine themselves closely for why they couldn't believe the women who shared their stories yesterday, but now can today." I think this shows how putting your reputation on the line when you accuse someone makes the accusation itself far more powerful and likely to believed; remember that no-one has yet publicly and non-anonymously(1) accused him of rape directly, but rather, have only said that others have accused him. I hope that if these allegations are true, people in addition to Nick Farr will have the bravery to go public with them - that's what's needed to actually put a stop to abusers. 1) In this context, "non-anonymously" includes commonly used pseudonyms of course - the legal names of people aren't what's important, but rather the identities they commonly use.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > I think this shows how putting your reputation on the line when you accuse someone makes the accusation itself far more powerful and likely to believed I agree, but that has to be balanced with the costs, and especially the costs to rape victims.
zealotmonkey 10y ago
In 2013, before, and during 30c3, Jacob Appelbaum suspected, and made claims, including one before the European Parliament, that he was under surveillance[0]. Since at least 2010, Jacob Appelbaum had been detained at airports and had his computer seized, multiple times. Despite this, Nick Farr, at 30c3, during the time period in which Jacob Applebaum heavily suspected he was under surveillance, and was presenting talks about classified NSA material, thought it would be friendly to permit a lightning talk that alleged that Jacob Applebaum was working for an intelligence agency, and then, without the actual talk happening, delete all records of that allegation when Applebaum, who thought he was under surveillance, requested information pertaining to that possibility. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Journalism [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Detention_and_investigation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Applebaum#Detention_and_...