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I'm going to ignore your implicit rhetoric that there's nothing that can be done to help this and offer a potential suggestion - universities here can go an ext

I'm going to ignore your implicit rhetoric that there's nothing that can be done to help this and offer a potential suggestion - universities here can go an extra mile to put severe emphasis in educating international students about how cheating is dealt with in the US and how severe the consequences were when students were caught in the past doing it. It would also probably help if the students were convinced that there's a high probability of being caught with modern tools. I know I'll get some flak for the last sentence there, but how many people in the world you really think are law-fearing as opposed to law-abiding? I don't see this as their obligation or responsibility, but if looking for helpful measures that can be taken, I see this as one.

rdtsc 10y ago
> I'm going to ignore your implicit rhetoric that there's nothing that can be done to help this and offer a potential suggestion There is no implicit rhetoric. It was quite explicit. I saw a list of possible explanations of why foreign students cheat more. I pointed out those seems like leaning toward a justification, and invited a list of policy proposals based on those explanations. So far we have "do more during orientation". Trust me, as an exchange student, albeit at just one university. This was made very clear during orientation. There were no maybes, or ambiguity there. But you are right there, it was something that should be done, but it is already done. Maybe force all to sign a paper saying "I will not cheat". Will that help solidify the idea? Perhaps... > how many people in the world you really think are law-fearing as opposed to law-abiding? I honestly don't know. I lived in 2 countries so far for long periods of time and people have very different attitudes towards law and authority in both. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people are law fearing for some law (getting caught speeding) and then also law-abiding (they wouldn't steal even if they know they'd never get caught) for others.
- studentrob 10y ago
  > So far we have "do more during orientation". Another solution would be come up with a secure US-administered standardized test. Students cheat on the SAT [1] (3 min video) You could (1) pressure the SAT / ACT to become more secure, or (2) create an alternative. With a secure test, test-prep centers would not find success from cheating. This would pressure schools/businesses in foreign countries to provide better education. [1] http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-sat-one/#video-SAT http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-s...
argonaut 10y ago
You're implying this isn't done already at universities. In literally every single class in university, the professor would spend lecture time talking about cheating, and it was always spelled out in the syllabus.

rdtsc 10y ago

> I'm going to ignore your implicit rhetoric that there's nothing that can be done to help this and offer a potential suggestion There is no implicit rhetoric. It was quite explicit. I saw a list of possible explanations of why foreign students cheat more. I pointed out those seems like leaning toward a justification, and invited a list of policy proposals based on those explanations. So far we have "do more during orientation". Trust me, as an exchange student, albeit at just one university. This was made very clear during orientation. There were no maybes, or ambiguity there. But you are right there, it was something that should be done, but it is already done. Maybe force all to sign a paper saying "I will not cheat". Will that help solidify the idea? Perhaps... > how many people in the world you really think are law-fearing as opposed to law-abiding? I honestly don't know. I lived in 2 countries so far for long periods of time and people have very different attitudes towards law and authority in both. I wouldn't be surprised if the same people are law fearing for some law (getting caught speeding) and then also law-abiding (they wouldn't steal even if they know they'd never get caught) for others.

studentrob 10y ago
> So far we have "do more during orientation". Another solution would be come up with a secure US-administered standardized test. Students cheat on the SAT [1] (3 min video) You could (1) pressure the SAT / ACT to become more secure, or (2) create an alternative. With a secure test, test-prep centers would not find success from cheating. This would pressure schools/businesses in foreign countries to provide better education. [1] http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-sat-one/#video-SAT http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-s...

argonaut 10y ago

You're implying this isn't done already at universities. In literally every single class in university, the professor would spend lecture time talking about cheating, and it was always spelled out in the syllabus.