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I agree with everything you say, but I'm a commenter on Hacker News, not a journalist for one of the world's most influential publications. The standards are a

I agree with everything you say, but I'm a commenter on Hacker News, not a journalist for one of the world's most influential publications. The standards are a little different.

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dang 10y ago
Not so different as to justify angrily denouncing an article you didn't read. Though at least you were honest about that.
- hackuser 10y ago
  I can't read it (the web workaround didn't work). I can read the headline, which cannot be justified, so I disagree. EDIT: I'm surprised to see you taking sides in a discussion. I don't think I violated any norms of HN.
  - dang 10y ago
    I'm not taking a side on college cheating, just advocating for quality in HN discussion. Angry denunciations degrade that quality, and so does reacting primarily to titles. The combination of the two is particularly bad, hence my comment.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      Sorry you feel that way, and I fully support your efforts to improve the quality of discussion here - in fact, I'd say be even more active! I agree the tone is too angry; sorry. In almost all cases I'd agree about such emphasis on a headline - but I think this is an exception. Many people don't read or think past a major publication's very influential headlines (ironic, I know, but certainly many HN and WSJ users read even less than I did). Foreign Students Seen Cheating More Than Domestic Ones If they substituted other groups for Foreign, such as certain religions or races, then my response would be broadly supported no matter how the WSJ qualified it in the body. To tar the character of all those students because of their foreign origins is, I still believe, inflammatory, xenophobic, and atrocious. Anyway, I don't mean to re-litigate the substance of it; I only want to point out that I think this is an exceptional case. Have a great day.

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I agree with everything you say, but I'm a commenter on Hacker News, not a journalist for one of the world's most influential publications. The standards are a

by hackuser 10y ago

I agree with everything you say, but I'm a commenter on Hacker News, not a journalist for one of the world's most influential publications. The standards are a little different.

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dang 10y ago
Not so different as to justify angrily denouncing an article you didn't read. Though at least you were honest about that.
- hackuser 10y ago
  I can't read it (the web workaround didn't work). I can read the headline, which cannot be justified, so I disagree. EDIT: I'm surprised to see you taking sides in a discussion. I don't think I violated any norms of HN.
  - dang 10y ago
    I'm not taking a side on college cheating, just advocating for quality in HN discussion. Angry denunciations degrade that quality, and so does reacting primarily to titles. The combination of the two is particularly bad, hence my comment.
    - hackuser 10y ago
      Sorry you feel that way, and I fully support your efforts to improve the quality of discussion here - in fact, I'd say be even more active! I agree the tone is too angry; sorry. In almost all cases I'd agree about such emphasis on a headline - but I think this is an exception. Many people don't read or think past a major publication's very influential headlines (ironic, I know, but certainly many HN and WSJ users read even less than I did). Foreign Students Seen Cheating More Than Domestic Ones If they substituted other groups for Foreign, such as certain religions or races, then my response would be broadly supported no matter how the WSJ qualified it in the body. To tar the character of all those students because of their foreign origins is, I still believe, inflammatory, xenophobic, and atrocious. Anyway, I don't mean to re-litigate the substance of it; I only want to point out that I think this is an exceptional case. Have a great day.