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Good point! I used similar categorising as Anders Hejlberg used in the JavaScript Jabber podcast (https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/209-jsj-typescript-with-anders-he

by Tx3 10y ago

Good point! I used similar categorising as Anders Hejlberg used in the JavaScript Jabber podcast (https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/209-jsj-typescript-with-anders-hejlsberg https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/209-jsj-typescript-with-anders-...). For those who don't like audio, he basically referred TypeScript being superset of JavaScript, unlike some other languages.

k__ 10y ago
Somehow I can't stand listening to Hejlberg. Often it feels like the CS professors I met at university, who wanted to teach you about "real programming languages and not such toys like JavaScript"
- johnny_reilly 10y ago
  I can't go with that. Anders H is one of the most avuncular, helpful and accessible voices out there. Oh and his very verbs twinkle!
  - k__ 10y ago
    Well, I just saw a talk about TypeScript 2 and it felt to me that he was belittling JavaScript.
    - alkonaut 10y ago
      JS is very cool because of how readily available it is and the awesome ecosystem that has grown around it. That said - you don't have to be a CS professor to see that the language (especially in early incarnations) wasn't well designed, to put it nicely. A.H. knows this just like anyone with the skills to design languages and compilers.
    - wereHamster 10y ago
      If you've ever worked with a strongly typed language you can't but belittle JavaScript ;)
      - k__ 10y ago
        I worked with C++, Java and Scala, and all felt really unwieldy.
    - danielearwicker 10y ago
      You may be traumatised if you ever hear Crockford talk about JavaScript!
      - k__ 10y ago
        Haha, I met him on a JS conf once. There was one of those old "JavaScript has no types and is no real language" guys and he kicked his ass. Basically he said static typing could be good and there were languages like Scala out there with real good type systems, but most of the "pro static types"-fanboys are using crap like Java or C++.
    - vesak 10y ago
      You're not your programming language. When people are expressing distaste about a language, it's (usually) not an attack towards its users.
      - k__ 10y ago
        Yes, but talking about "toy languages" when literally millions of people on the world make a living out of this is just mean :(

by Tx3 10y ago

k__ 10y ago

Somehow I can't stand listening to Hejlberg. Often it feels like the CS professors I met at university, who wanted to teach you about "real programming languages and not such toys like JavaScript"

johnny_reilly 10y ago
I can't go with that. Anders H is one of the most avuncular, helpful and accessible voices out there. Oh and his very verbs twinkle!
- k__ 10y ago
  Well, I just saw a talk about TypeScript 2 and it felt to me that he was belittling JavaScript.
  - alkonaut 10y ago
    JS is very cool because of how readily available it is and the awesome ecosystem that has grown around it. That said - you don't have to be a CS professor to see that the language (especially in early incarnations) wasn't well designed, to put it nicely. A.H. knows this just like anyone with the skills to design languages and compilers.
  - wereHamster 10y ago
    If you've ever worked with a strongly typed language you can't but belittle JavaScript ;)
    - k__ 10y ago
      I worked with C++, Java and Scala, and all felt really unwieldy.
  - danielearwicker 10y ago
    You may be traumatised if you ever hear Crockford talk about JavaScript!
    - k__ 10y ago
      Haha, I met him on a JS conf once. There was one of those old "JavaScript has no types and is no real language" guys and he kicked his ass. Basically he said static typing could be good and there were languages like Scala out there with real good type systems, but most of the "pro static types"-fanboys are using crap like Java or C++.
  - vesak 10y ago
    You're not your programming language. When people are expressing distaste about a language, it's (usually) not an attack towards its users.
    - k__ 10y ago
      Yes, but talking about "toy languages" when literally millions of people on the world make a living out of this is just mean :(