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Purism and Apple
by fallenshell 10y ago
Purism and Apple
- Nullabillity 10y ago> Apple "or actively malicious."
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoHow are Apple actively malicious?
- Nullabillity 10y agoLet's see here: * Started the trend of non-replaceable batteries in phones * Started the trend of non-replaceable batteries in laptops * Started the trend of locked-down devices where the owner can't decide what software to run * Custom screws in order to prevent people from fixing their devices * Custom enclosures in order to prevent people from replacing parts in their devices with commodity devices * Soldering in stuff that doesn't need to be And so on, and so forth. It'd be easier to come up with a list of good decisions they've made. In fact, for the sake of balance, here you go:
- prashnts 10y agoRight. These can also be interpret as their reason to make slimmer devices. People buying these products would presumably know what they're getting into.
- rincebrain 10y agoCustom screws, unless they're customized beyond the driver required to remove them, almost certainly don't qualify as a tool for making slimmer devices.
- xiaoma 10y agoHow does needlessly soldering ram in make a device slimmer?
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoReplaceable RAM modules take up more space.
- blkhp19 10y agoI'm certain that if you are really honest with yourself, you'll agree that the "malicious" practices you point out are entirely different - not even comparable - to the security negligence pointed out in the OP. When I buy an Apple computer, I'm aware of everything you listed - and in fact, I enjoy it. I don't want to worry about a thing when I buy my computer. I'm not interested in self repairing, upgrading, or tinkering. If I buy an Asus however, I would have had no idea that my entire system was at risk. That kind of negligence is malicious in my eyes - not creating closed off hardware.
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoApple's devices tend to be more difficult to repair or upgrade yourself, yes, but this is not malicious, even if it is somewhat hostile. Also, I should point out that while Apple's phones don't let you install unapproved software, this isn't true of the Mac, which, unlike Microsoft-approved PCs[0], lets you install alternative operating systems (you can even boot to DOS!), disable its security features, etc. [0] I know that MS do allow OEMs to allow disabling Secure Boot, but it's not required as of Windows 10. Meanwhile, Apple's computers don't have it in the first place!
- Nullabillity 10y ago> Apple's devices tend to be more difficult to repair or upgrade yourself, yes, but this is not malicious, even if it is somewhat hostile. If they consciously take a hostile action (and let's face it, you don't accidentally design a new screw) then yes, I'd call that malicious. If you do that repeatedly then I'd consider you evil. > Also, I should point out that while Apple's phones don't let you install unapproved software, this isn't true of the Mac, which, unlike Microsoft-approved PCs[0], lets you install alternative operating systems (you can even boot to DOS!), disable its security features, etc. Gatekeeper seems like a step towards it. And regardless, Microsoft isn't exactly a paragon to compare yourself against.[0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcngdW2Ju4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcngdW2Ju4
- TazeTSchnitzel 10y agoGatekeeper applies only to GUI apps and can be trivially turned off.
- Nullabillity 10y agoFor now.
- kosmic_k 10y ago4 out of 6 complaints here all help reduce the size of an electronics product. In fact some of those decisions led me to chose an Apple product over a non apple one. Locked down software ended up being a business decision for Apple's App store. As for the screws, I have no idea, but you can easily find appropriate screwdrivers online so it doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.
- Nullabillity 10y ago> Locked down software ended up being a business decision for Apple's App store. Just as all the others? That's not a defense.