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Maybe if they had money to spend, then they wouldn't be "unwashed" and in fact thus be part of an ever increasing economy. Unfortunately that would require an u

by Vaebn 10y ago

Maybe if they had money to spend, then they wouldn't be "unwashed" and in fact thus be part of an ever increasing economy. Unfortunately that would require an understanding of how an economy works, rather than a zero-sum mindset and collectivist hate of seeing "other" people have money who "don't deserve it" because their "birth coordinates were wrong", even if you were to receive exactly the same. Talk about self-destructive behaviour.

ihsw 10y ago
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- dcacaac 10y ago
  What about their "grubby hands"? Was that referring to their bathing habits?
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hodwik2 10y ago
There is something to be said for having been born (and as a result, raised) in a post-Enlightenment society. Migrants from pre-Englightenment societies almost always raise the general crime levels, take value that they didn't earn, and become the new underclass. Look at Irish and Italian immigrants in the US in the 1800s. We came from countries that did not have the same level of education, without the history of liberal philosophy, and as a result we caused a lot of damage to the US -- between organized crime, debauchery, civil unrest, general violence, but also, politically/socially. We didn't understand the American political space, we voted for statist governments, and then began taking over the police forces and unions and mobilizing them against our rivals (blacks, Polish and Jews). Eventually, we were assimilated, but that was much easier -- we were already Christians (albeit Catholic), and a lot of us could pass for a more desirable nationality. So far, Middle Eastern immigrants have shown little interest in assimilating at all.
- nickik 10y ago
  That is a very one sided view of things. Lots of assumptions that have been proven false over and over again. If you actually look into the economic research on this questions you will quickly see that its very hard to make a case against immigration. Anti-immigration economists have to make arguments such as "over a period of 30 years immigration reduced the real wage of people without a high-school degree 5-8%". And that's of course a terrible argument that does not hold up in comparison with the positive effects. Essentially xenophobia is the only reason why people are against immigration.
- gotchange 10y ago
  > So far, Middle Eastern immigrants have shown little interest in assimilating at all. Do you realize that there are indigenous christians of all denominations in the ME or there's some kind of dominance hierarchy among denominations and churches of the world that I am not aware of?
  - hodwik2 10y ago
    Of course. It's something like 3% of Syrian refuges, for example. No population is uniform. But if we were talking casually about, say, Hong Kong, and I said the Hong Kong-ese speak Cantonese, would you complain because some percentage do not? Or if I said Spanish people speak Spanish? It's not a useful distinction to draw unless you provide it in the context of some larger argument.
    - xyience 10y ago
      In these situations I like to link to https://antidem.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/glantons-law/ https://antidem.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/glantons-law/
- tptacek 10y ago
  I have seen a lot of tossed-off racism on HN before, but this is the first time I've ever seen it deployed against the Irish.

by Vaebn 10y ago

ihsw 10y ago

dcacaac 10y ago
What about their "grubby hands"? Was that referring to their bathing habits?
- deleted 10y ago
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hodwik2 10y ago

There is something to be said for having been born (and as a result, raised) in a post-Enlightenment society. Migrants from pre-Englightenment societies almost always raise the general crime levels, take value that they didn't earn, and become the new underclass. Look at Irish and Italian immigrants in the US in the 1800s. We came from countries that did not have the same level of education, without the history of liberal philosophy, and as a result we caused a lot of damage to the US -- between organized crime, debauchery, civil unrest, general violence, but also, politically/socially. We didn't understand the American political space, we voted for statist governments, and then began taking over the police forces and unions and mobilizing them against our rivals (blacks, Polish and Jews). Eventually, we were assimilated, but that was much easier -- we were already Christians (albeit Catholic), and a lot of us could pass for a more desirable nationality. So far, Middle Eastern immigrants have shown little interest in assimilating at all.

nickik 10y ago
That is a very one sided view of things. Lots of assumptions that have been proven false over and over again. If you actually look into the economic research on this questions you will quickly see that its very hard to make a case against immigration. Anti-immigration economists have to make arguments such as "over a period of 30 years immigration reduced the real wage of people without a high-school degree 5-8%". And that's of course a terrible argument that does not hold up in comparison with the positive effects. Essentially xenophobia is the only reason why people are against immigration.
gotchange 10y ago
> So far, Middle Eastern immigrants have shown little interest in assimilating at all. Do you realize that there are indigenous christians of all denominations in the ME or there's some kind of dominance hierarchy among denominations and churches of the world that I am not aware of?
- hodwik2 10y ago
  Of course. It's something like 3% of Syrian refuges, for example. No population is uniform. But if we were talking casually about, say, Hong Kong, and I said the Hong Kong-ese speak Cantonese, would you complain because some percentage do not? Or if I said Spanish people speak Spanish? It's not a useful distinction to draw unless you provide it in the context of some larger argument.
  - xyience 10y ago
    In these situations I like to link to https://antidem.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/glantons-law/ https://antidem.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/glantons-law/
tptacek 10y ago
I have seen a lot of tossed-off racism on HN before, but this is the first time I've ever seen it deployed against the Irish.