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>But I think there is some kind of persepective that has to be maintained its amazing when people who completely lack the perspective of the civil rights era,

>But I think there is some kind of persepective that has to be maintained its amazing when people who completely lack the perspective of the civil rights era, claim that we all need a little more perspective. >For something that isn't an essential public accomodation, let the money talk. If your baker won't bake you a cake, give your money to one who will. right, i mean - if i owned a building i certainly wouldnt want black people using my water fountains. and hey whats the big deal? its not some essential public service they are being denied. theres water fountains and restaurants everywhere! as long as gays have a separate but equal method of gaining access to cakes, whats the problem?

ams6110 10y ago
Yep, I put water fountains and restaurants in a public accomodation category. They are buildings and businesses explicitly serving the walk-in public. An independent/small family bakery, or photographer, etc. who may not even have a retail storefront who won't service gay weddings, I would consider "not a real problem" because they really are only limiting their own business by operating that way.
- edmccard 10y ago
  >An independent/small family bakery, or photographer, etc. who may not even have a retail storefront who won't service gay weddings, I would consider "not a real problem" So a "No gays allowed" sign on a walk-in retail storefront would be bad, but a "Gays need not call" ad in the yellow pages[1] would be "not a real problem"? [1] Or however these non-storefront businesses connect with customers.
  - ams6110 10y ago
    I think a sign/notice would be good. Then you'd know and could decide to not patronize the place, or protest it, etc. accordingly.
- psook 10y ago
  That's cool, but the world doesn't work by what you specifically call a public accommodation. There are dinner clubs with membership requirements (look here for a big hint as to how to continue refusing service to 'undesirables' legally), there are office parks with water fountains behind fences. The solution, if you don't want to do business with the public, is to not do business with the public. If you choose to be publically available, that's on you. Note: if your services require licensure, then it's not your right to provide those services to begin with--it's a privilege you've been granted and that will come with extra legal stipulations by that very nature.
shaftoe 10y ago
I'll be that guy. Forcing a person to do an action against their will is morally repulsive. Even if that action is to be a decent person.
- Frondo 10y ago
  Sorry, but that battle was lost when we first came down from the trees. All situations where people live in society involve some amount of control over their behavior; that's more or less what society is, a set of things you must and mustn't do, because you're not the only person in the world.
  - Taek 10y ago
    It's fine to expect someone to abide by your rules in your town, but they also need the option to move somewhere else to abide by their own rules. If you want to live in a world without discrimination (as I do!), that's your right and you can enforce that within your state or move to a state where it is enforced, but if there's another state that you don't live in, mind your own damn business and let them set whatever laws they want. To get along with others you need to follow some sort of conduct, but reach each group should be free to set their own code.

ams6110 10y ago

Yep, I put water fountains and restaurants in a public accomodation category. They are buildings and businesses explicitly serving the walk-in public. An independent/small family bakery, or photographer, etc. who may not even have a retail storefront who won't service gay weddings, I would consider "not a real problem" because they really are only limiting their own business by operating that way.

edmccard 10y ago
>An independent/small family bakery, or photographer, etc. who may not even have a retail storefront who won't service gay weddings, I would consider "not a real problem" So a "No gays allowed" sign on a walk-in retail storefront would be bad, but a "Gays need not call" ad in the yellow pages[1] would be "not a real problem"? [1] Or however these non-storefront businesses connect with customers.
- ams6110 10y ago
  I think a sign/notice would be good. Then you'd know and could decide to not patronize the place, or protest it, etc. accordingly.
psook 10y ago
That's cool, but the world doesn't work by what you specifically call a public accommodation. There are dinner clubs with membership requirements (look here for a big hint as to how to continue refusing service to 'undesirables' legally), there are office parks with water fountains behind fences. The solution, if you don't want to do business with the public, is to not do business with the public. If you choose to be publically available, that's on you. Note: if your services require licensure, then it's not your right to provide those services to begin with--it's a privilege you've been granted and that will come with extra legal stipulations by that very nature.

shaftoe 10y ago

I'll be that guy. Forcing a person to do an action against their will is morally repulsive. Even if that action is to be a decent person.

Frondo 10y ago
Sorry, but that battle was lost when we first came down from the trees. All situations where people live in society involve some amount of control over their behavior; that's more or less what society is, a set of things you must and mustn't do, because you're not the only person in the world.
- Taek 10y ago
  It's fine to expect someone to abide by your rules in your town, but they also need the option to move somewhere else to abide by their own rules. If you want to live in a world without discrimination (as I do!), that's your right and you can enforce that within your state or move to a state where it is enforced, but if there's another state that you don't live in, mind your own damn business and let them set whatever laws they want. To get along with others you need to follow some sort of conduct, but reach each group should be free to set their own code.