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How many of those people left the country permanently because of constant harassment by government agents? How many lost their girlfriend when she got freaked o

How many of those people left the country permanently because of constant harassment by government agents? How many lost their girlfriend when she got freaked out because a guy with night vision goggles was spying into their apartment in the middle of the night? You're writing this off like it's a simple statistical unlikelyhood without making any consideration into specifically what has happened to Appelbaum before. I'm not even defending him, I just think you're doing a crap job of dismissing the concern.

tptacek 10y ago
Few. None.
- A_COMPUTER 10y ago
  I was talking about Jacob Appelbaum, are you just being curt hoping nobody notices you're not being honest, or did you really not tell from the context of my comment? "One" would be relevant if we were talking about the same person, which we are.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Nobody is stalking Jacob Appelbaum with night vision goggles.
    - 2close4comfort 10y ago
      I'm sure if their had been there would have been a talk about it somewhere...
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    - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
      https://motherboard.vice.com/blog/jacob-appelbaum-utopia-interview' https://motherboard.vice.com/blog/jacob-appelbaum-utopia-int... >in the US, I’m fairly certain I’ve had a black bag job on my apartment, my mother was arrested and jailed supposedly for unrelated charges, and – at at least two points – interrogated about my role in WikiLeaks. I’m fairly certain that my partner woke up with night vision goggles pointed at her by unknown parties outside her house. And here in Berlin I’m certain there’s a similar amount of spying, but I don’t feel it in the same way. It’s the ability even for a moment to imagine that I’m not basically treated like an enemy of the state or a dissident of some kind; I couldn’t really pretend that in the United States. http://www.dw.com/en/snowden-ally-appelbaum-claims-his-berlin-apartment-was-invaded/a-17315069 http://www.dw.com/en/snowden-ally-appelbaum-claims-his-berli... Here he talks about it explicitly in testimony to the European Parliament. Maybe you should watch this whole thing where he talks about what he knows about his own surveillance because of mistaken lack of redactions in government documents: https://youtu.be/SdLKje1IydQ?t=1667 https://youtu.be/SdLKje1IydQ?t=1667 You say that the vast majority of security people are not being targeted severely by the government, so it's statistically very unlikely that a sex abuse claim against Appelbaum, along with a coordinated PR attack by "the victims" (which is an explicitly documented method used to discredit people, per the Snowden leaks) is a government operation to discredit him. I say the statistics do not matter, because there is sufficient evidence that HE SPECIFICALLY IS TARGETED. Therefore you CANNOT simply wave off the possibility.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        I hereby formally wave off the possibility that anyone is stalking Jacob Appelbaum with night vision goggles.

tptacek 10y ago

Few. None.

A_COMPUTER 10y ago
I was talking about Jacob Appelbaum, are you just being curt hoping nobody notices you're not being honest, or did you really not tell from the context of my comment? "One" would be relevant if we were talking about the same person, which we are.
- tptacek 10y ago
  Nobody is stalking Jacob Appelbaum with night vision goggles.
  - 2close4comfort 10y ago
    I'm sure if their had been there would have been a talk about it somewhere...
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  - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
    https://motherboard.vice.com/blog/jacob-appelbaum-utopia-interview' https://motherboard.vice.com/blog/jacob-appelbaum-utopia-int... >in the US, I’m fairly certain I’ve had a black bag job on my apartment, my mother was arrested and jailed supposedly for unrelated charges, and – at at least two points – interrogated about my role in WikiLeaks. I’m fairly certain that my partner woke up with night vision goggles pointed at her by unknown parties outside her house. And here in Berlin I’m certain there’s a similar amount of spying, but I don’t feel it in the same way. It’s the ability even for a moment to imagine that I’m not basically treated like an enemy of the state or a dissident of some kind; I couldn’t really pretend that in the United States. http://www.dw.com/en/snowden-ally-appelbaum-claims-his-berlin-apartment-was-invaded/a-17315069 http://www.dw.com/en/snowden-ally-appelbaum-claims-his-berli... Here he talks about it explicitly in testimony to the European Parliament. Maybe you should watch this whole thing where he talks about what he knows about his own surveillance because of mistaken lack of redactions in government documents: https://youtu.be/SdLKje1IydQ?t=1667 https://youtu.be/SdLKje1IydQ?t=1667 You say that the vast majority of security people are not being targeted severely by the government, so it's statistically very unlikely that a sex abuse claim against Appelbaum, along with a coordinated PR attack by "the victims" (which is an explicitly documented method used to discredit people, per the Snowden leaks) is a government operation to discredit him. I say the statistics do not matter, because there is sufficient evidence that HE SPECIFICALLY IS TARGETED. Therefore you CANNOT simply wave off the possibility.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      I hereby formally wave off the possibility that anyone is stalking Jacob Appelbaum with night vision goggles.