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> It's certainly the case around here that doctors are moving under the hospital umbrella. That's part of a trend that's a few decades old, and which has accel
by chimeracoder 10y ago
> It's certainly the case around here that doctors are moving under the hospital umbrella.
That's part of a trend that's a few decades old, and which has accelerated in the last 5-10 years. It's not a function of the number of physicians; physicians are selling their practices to hospitals because they can no longer sustain themselves in private practice.
> I don't think the hospitals are forced to keep their prices obscure though (see Massachusetts or Oklahoma), it just happens to be the best way for them to make revenue because if people could easily shop prices, they would.
If anything, hospitals would prefer to be able to compete this way directly. They can't, though, because there is no single 'price', even if you're talking about a discrete, routine procedure that has no risk for complications. The way medical billing works, they don't necessarily have a set price for a given service per carrier. And even if they do, that doesn't always correlate to what the patient ends up paying (which is, of course, the thing the patient actually cares about). The reason they don't have a set price - even internally - isn't because they don't want to. It's because the contracts with public and private insurers have resulted in the amount of money they need to charge for a service being a function of so many external factors that they literally can't.
Chapter 224 is a perfect example of a feel-good law that doesn't actually do anything in practice, because it fails to address the underlying complexity that's the root of the current problem with price transparency.
- maxerickson 10y agoFrom what I understand, they often have no idea what services cost. This is different than not having an internal price. And there shouldn't be external factors that prevent them from measuring it. Or are you saying that they are contractually bound to avoid tracking costs?
- ScottBurson 10y agoI don't know the answer to your question, but here's an interesting anecdote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4465845 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4465845
- maxerickson 10y agoRight, they aren't setup to bill the damn thing. It's ridiculous. chimeracoder seems to be saying that this is because of the complexity that comes from interacting with insurance companies and the public payers. Where I don't really buy that explanation is where there is in fact a fixed capital cost associated with the machine, and a certain number of uses of the machine per year, and a pretty fixed level of complexity per use (different scans will take a different amount of time, but each type of scan will be reasonably consistent from patient to patient). So they can take a spreadsheet and put in the capital costs and the operating costs and the staffing costs and boom, they have a ballpark figure for what each scan costs. It won't be the exact number for a given scan, but it will be closer than not having any estimate at all. I don't see where complexity on the billing side prevents them from doing what I describe.