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It hasn't flipped. Both liberals and conservatives have deeply held beliefs that they do not want challenged. Eroticism is every bit as anathema to conservatis
by bilbo0s 10y ago
It hasn't flipped.
Both liberals and conservatives have deeply held beliefs that they do not want challenged. Eroticism is every bit as anathema to conservatism as anti-undocumented immigrant rhetoric is to liberals.
Pretty much everyone is in the "you can't say/do that" camp.
- lobotryas 10y agoYes, everyone has "deeply held beliefs that they do not want challenged". The difference is in how we treat people who do challenge or disagree with our beliefs AND which beliefs it's currently acceptable to challenge and which are not. Imagine someone speaking out against a popular left-leaning causes like something that Obama would support. Now, imagine someone railing against a popular right-leaning cause, like something Ted Cruz would support. Do you think they'll get the same amount or type of counter-artuments, vitriol, or push-back?
- dasil003 10y agoDepends where it's happening?
- lbebber 10y agoDifferent ideas affect different people in different ways. For example, not having affordable healthcare affects people directly and might very well be a death sentence to some. Often, popular left-leaning causes are like that - causes where people are left vulnerable if they lose: Equal rights for LGBT people, gender, race, and immigration issues, etc. So of course, people are going to react very strongly to someone who is against that, because they are deeply and directly impacted.
- bilbo0s 10y agoI suspect you support one side. And so naturally, you will argue in favor of the other side being "worse". But the reality is... there are elements in both of these thought groups that are extremely dangerous. Try telling a group of liberals, well, pretty much anything contrary to currently accepted liberal orthodoxy... and you'll see liberal "tolerance" in all its glory. Maybe you could approach them and argue that, perhaps, the bankers and CEO's deserve the billions they take out of the economy as remuneration? Or try telling a group of conservatives something contrary to conservative dogma... let me know how it goes. Maybe you could attempt to explain, in front of a rally of rabid conservatives, that maybe the BLM people have a point about the militarization of the nation's police departments? Or, if you're feeling REALLY brave, lay out for them why their extremely conservative area would be well served by an abortion clinic. You want to see "push back", argue for anything that partisan dogma does not allow.
- gozur88 10y agoI don't remember conservative mobs shutting down speakers at college campuses, or attacking the political rallies of people they don't like.
- bilbo0s 10y agoHeh... I don't remember any liberals gunning down little old ladies at bible studies for being black either. That doesn't make liberals any more "tolerant" of opposing views or different people than conservatives are. Just as your example doesn't make conservatives any more "tolerant" than liberals are. The reality is... there are elements in both camps that are REALLY dangerous if you're challenging their preconceptions.
- gozur88 10y agoYou're comparing a single guy off his nut and mobs of organized students egged on by their professors. Can you really not see the difference?
- bilbo0s 10y agoThe question that follows is very kindly intended. My only purpose is to get you to think a bit more deeply about what partisan thinking does to a person's ability to reason. Have you ever considered that, perhaps, you don't see partisan thinking as having anything to do with the supremacist because you're invested in that school of thought? We tend to rationalize that which we are invested in... and I think you may be doing a little rationalizing. Think of it this way... when a young man goes out and targets police officers to murder them, as Herschel Jones did in Ohio... is that an indictment of liberal rhetoric about police? Or is it a "...single guy off his nut...", nothing at all to do with anti-police rhetoric?
- convolvatron 10y agocompared to a conservative police force in a conservative town cracking my skull open because i look queer. i think the notion of partisan offense and defense is quite well served