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What I found strange is I can't google for any details on this, there's just Tor's statement. No one publically speaking about it, or Google censorship? Also,

What I found strange is I can't google for any details on this, there's just Tor's statement. No one publically speaking about it, or Google censorship? Also, you were downvoted but you shouldn't have been -- you raise IMO a valid concern. Pro-state bots?

tptacek 10y ago
"Google censorship" is a pretty powerful claim to make for someone who's research into Appelbaum was tricked by an obvious parody article, which you just on this thread presented as fact.
- A_COMPUTER 10y ago
  Why don't you just openly call him stupid since that's what you're implying, or just not post at all if you can't refrain from doing so.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Uninformed is not the same thing as "stupid".
    - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
      I just read your comment again, and you're lying. "Tricked by an obvious parody article." That's compatible with "stupid" but not with "uninformed". You were also being a smartass about it, which is rude.
- hellbanner 10y ago
  Rushed for time and stressed from work, it went over my head. I'm annoyed that the parody showed up before details of the "misconduct" did.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    It's fine that you're not up to date on who Jacob Appelbaum is, how the Tor community works, or what its origins are. But you should be careful about being strident about topics you're unfamiliar with.
xoa 10y ago
>No one publically speaking about it Re-read The Tor Project's statement before you start throwing out wild conspiracy theories, seriously. As they say "We have been working with a legal firm that specializes in employment issues including sexual misconduct. They are advising us on how to handle this, and we intend to follow their advice." And a big part of that legal advice (any competent attorney's advice) for something of this nature will boil down to "Please oh please shut up until it's all over and done with, and think carefully about saying anything even then." The accusations at least are extremely serious, criminal felony serious, and at that point publicly speaking much about it except maybe when thorough vetted by a lawyer is usually going to be an exceptionally poor idea, and that's true regardless of the truth of the accusations or defense (assuming that is even clear cut or uniform). They owe an acknowledgement to their community and team, and a clear statement of principles, which they've done with their public statement. But anything much more then that at this point is effectively certain to be at best partially correct, at worst outright mistaken, with endless potential for legally shooting themselves in the gut and/or, ignoring law entirely, burning bridges and hurting important team members down the road. The wheels will and should turn consistently, but with deliberation and care as well. It's always possible to say more later, and should there be a criminal and/or civil trial then of course much would come out there, but what one says cannot be unsaid, so when in doubt silence is best. That's true in general, let alone with a sensitive, targeted and specialized project like Tor.

tptacek 10y ago

"Google censorship" is a pretty powerful claim to make for someone who's research into Appelbaum was tricked by an obvious parody article, which you just on this thread presented as fact.

A_COMPUTER 10y ago
Why don't you just openly call him stupid since that's what you're implying, or just not post at all if you can't refrain from doing so.
- tptacek 10y ago
  Uninformed is not the same thing as "stupid".
  - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
    I just read your comment again, and you're lying. "Tricked by an obvious parody article." That's compatible with "stupid" but not with "uninformed". You were also being a smartass about it, which is rude.
hellbanner 10y ago
Rushed for time and stressed from work, it went over my head. I'm annoyed that the parody showed up before details of the "misconduct" did.
- tptacek 10y ago
  It's fine that you're not up to date on who Jacob Appelbaum is, how the Tor community works, or what its origins are. But you should be careful about being strident about topics you're unfamiliar with.

xoa 10y ago

>No one publically speaking about it Re-read The Tor Project's statement before you start throwing out wild conspiracy theories, seriously. As they say "We have been working with a legal firm that specializes in employment issues including sexual misconduct. They are advising us on how to handle this, and we intend to follow their advice." And a big part of that legal advice (any competent attorney's advice) for something of this nature will boil down to "Please oh please shut up until it's all over and done with, and think carefully about saying anything even then." The accusations at least are extremely serious, criminal felony serious, and at that point publicly speaking much about it except maybe when thorough vetted by a lawyer is usually going to be an exceptionally poor idea, and that's true regardless of the truth of the accusations or defense (assuming that is even clear cut or uniform). They owe an acknowledgement to their community and team, and a clear statement of principles, which they've done with their public statement. But anything much more then that at this point is effectively certain to be at best partially correct, at worst outright mistaken, with endless potential for legally shooting themselves in the gut and/or, ignoring law entirely, burning bridges and hurting important team members down the road. The wheels will and should turn consistently, but with deliberation and care as well. It's always possible to say more later, and should there be a criminal and/or civil trial then of course much would come out there, but what one says cannot be unsaid, so when in doubt silence is best. That's true in general, let alone with a sensitive, targeted and specialized project like Tor.