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Tor Project Statement on Jacob Appelbaum

131 points by tshtf 10y ago

mtgx 10y ago
First Assange, now Appelbaum. What's next? Snowden being accused of sexual mistreatment, too? Whatever they're accusing him of may have very well happened, but it's just a little strange how this keeps happening to the government's "enemies".
- hellbanner 10y ago
  What I found strange is I can't google for any details on this, there's just Tor's statement. No one publically speaking about it, or Google censorship? Also, you were downvoted but you shouldn't have been -- you raise IMO a valid concern. Pro-state bots?
  - tptacek 10y ago
    "Google censorship" is a pretty powerful claim to make for someone who's research into Appelbaum was tricked by an obvious parody article, which you just on this thread presented as fact.
    - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
      Why don't you just openly call him stupid since that's what you're implying, or just not post at all if you can't refrain from doing so.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        Uninformed is not the same thing as "stupid".
        A_COMPUTER 10y ago
        I just read your comment again, and you're lying. "Tricked by an obvious parody article." That's compatible with "stupid" but not with "uninformed". You were also being a smartass about it, which is rude.
    - hellbanner 10y ago
      Rushed for time and stressed from work, it went over my head. I'm annoyed that the parody showed up before details of the "misconduct" did.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        It's fine that you're not up to date on who Jacob Appelbaum is, how the Tor community works, or what its origins are. But you should be careful about being strident about topics you're unfamiliar with.
  - xoa 10y ago
    >No one publically speaking about it Re-read The Tor Project's statement before you start throwing out wild conspiracy theories, seriously. As they say "We have been working with a legal firm that specializes in employment issues including sexual misconduct. They are advising us on how to handle this, and we intend to follow their advice." And a big part of that legal advice (any competent attorney's advice) for something of this nature will boil down to "Please oh please shut up until it's all over and done with, and think carefully about saying anything even then." The accusations at least are extremely serious, criminal felony serious, and at that point publicly speaking much about it except maybe when thorough vetted by a lawyer is usually going to be an exceptionally poor idea, and that's true regardless of the truth of the accusations or defense (assuming that is even clear cut or uniform). They owe an acknowledgement to their community and team, and a clear statement of principles, which they've done with their public statement. But anything much more then that at this point is effectively certain to be at best partially correct, at worst outright mistaken, with endless potential for legally shooting themselves in the gut and/or, ignoring law entirely, burning bridges and hurting important team members down the road. The wheels will and should turn consistently, but with deliberation and care as well. It's always possible to say more later, and should there be a criminal and/or civil trial then of course much would come out there, but what one says cannot be unsaid, so when in doubt silence is best. That's true in general, let alone with a sensitive, targeted and specialized project like Tor.
- nisa 10y ago
  All? female Tor devs univocally talk about rape/sexual misconduct while not all mentioning him personally it seems quite clear that these claims are not understood as an external smear campaign but a long lasting issue within Tor and no one that is knowing him is stepping up to defend him. At least on Twitter. Tor acknowledges that there are rumours and that the issue is investigated. I'm kind of shocked about the methods (character assassination website, @TimeToDieJake Twitter account) but who am I to judge. This looks like it's serious or should at least taken seriously. Difficult to judge as an outsider through.
  - maerF0x0 10y ago
    All of these vigillante justice style attacks are an affront to true justice which should have been to speak to his superiors and to the police. Once all the data has been collected and a jury has made a choice, then we can make terrible websites about him. He's been treated as guilty before given a chance to be proven as such.
    - venomsnake 10y ago
      There are libel laws. And he may even find a friendly billionaire to bankroll his lawsuit. But here is the thing - it is the public that is guilty of treating him like guilty. There is nothing wrong with airing accusations. But the proper reaction is to not take a side - to say - lets the court figure it out. But we as a society are unable to do so. We don't want justice - we want to have it our way. Preferably now.
      - maerF0x0 10y ago
        I will grant a great quote however "Justice delayed is justice denied"[1] . That is why its important for victims to goto authorities IMMEDIATELY. Not 40 yrs later, not after the next victim speaks up. RIGHT NOW. I'm sure there are complications I'm glossing over, having never been a victim of sexual assault. But the timing is imperative. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_den...
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- tptacek 10y ago
  What's happening is that you pay disproportionate attention to accusations against "the government's enemies", and not much attention at all to accusations of people in the government. Here, you have a story about someone removing themselves from a private project over accusations. Nowhere in your comment do you, for instance, acknowledge Denny Hastert being sentenced to 15 months in prison. Also: of the people who do serious work on counter-censorship, anonymity, privacy, and the like, the overwhelming majority have had no accusations made at all. For that matter, despite a long prison sentence, neither has Chelsea Manning. Could it be that your sample size here is "2"?
  - brador 10y ago
    Applebaum is a big fish in a community under consideration whose removal and replacement could be justifiable under national security. The setup for this hints at a managed campaign. Twitter, anonymous hit piece, website with stories. The kind of plan that comes out of a powerpoint. There may be truth in the accusations, but the evidence does hint at a guiding hand fleshing them out.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      I can and do doubt that.
    - powera 10y ago
      No. You're basically saying that there's no evidence that it's a coordinated campaign (really, the fact that it was talked about on Twitter isn't evidence of anything at all), and that lack of evidence is why it has to be a coordinated campaign. Which is a logical fallacy at best. EDIT: that wasn't quite what I meant. There's some evidence that somebody is coordinating it. There's no evidence that it's a hostile government. The evidence suggests that the coordinator is somebody who feels that they were sexually harassed.
      - brador 10y ago
        No. I said there are hints of evidence of a coordinated campaign. Which there are. This could be from the number of people involved, or a guiding hand. I placed no stake in the ground on either possibility. Your personal attack at calling it a logical fallacy is noted.
hellbanner 10y ago
Hm, does this have anything to do with: http://chronicle.su/2015/06/17/jacob-appelbaum-expelled-from-wikileaks-organization-after-opm-hack-reveals-tor-is-funded-by-us-navy/ http://chronicle.su/2015/06/17/jacob-appelbaum-expelled-from... Or this? https://pando.com/2015/06/22/how-aclu-helped-government-harass-jacob-appelbaum/ https://pando.com/2015/06/22/how-aclu-helped-government-hara...
- tptacek 10y ago
  I'm pretty sure that chronicle.su article is a parody. One tip-off: Tor was created at the Naval Postgraduate School.
  - hellbanner 10y ago
    Thank you, rushed for time and grabbed what I scanned off of Google.
- neuromute 10y ago
  Took me a second to realise that first link is satire!
1918231111 10y ago
Looks like another neo-puritan witch hunt.
superkuh 10y ago
Sexual misconduct claims seem to be the go-to for attacking providers of technological solutions to censorship.
- venomsnake 10y ago
  Powerful men do tend to have trouble keeping their pants zipped when they should. We have had enough scandals in politics/business to confirm that. Berlusconi, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Clinton, Petraeus and many more in the last two decades. When there are accusations - I generally give the benefit of doubt to the accused. But if the chain of women claiming trouble approaches a miliCosby - then it is time to retract said benefit.
- sheepleherd 10y ago
  or, "people with secrets to keep and who enjoy socially frowned upon entertainments are attracted to privacy, anonymity, and encryption projects", ya know, scratch the itch, right. I was working at one time on a really interesting p2p project but at a certain time it just seemed to me that we were building a "nefarious purposes" anonymous distributed database that didn't really have a strong other reason to exist. It didn't become less technically interesting but I started scrutinizing both my coworkers' zeal and personal quirks for evidence of untoward motivation. I left the project for other reasons and the project fizzled for other other reasons.
- VonGuard 10y ago
  Vulgar as the attack site is, I am really getting quite tired of the go-to "she lies" stuff we see all over the Internet. Proper etiquette should be to not comment at all on such situations if you "side" with either party, but particularly the accused. At least until whatever investigations there are have concluded. I get so sick of how every tech site has dozens of comments when things like this happen, all of them stating that the victims are liars, or strongly insinuating it. How often do we find out that multiple parties accusing a single person of sexual assault were wrong? Let's be fair here, defending the accused inherently means you're calling the victim(s) liars, especially this early in the event cycle. You're immediately assuming the accusers are lying for personal gain. You're being biased. When it's a simple "he said, she said," fine, argue over character if you must. When it's just two parties involved, it can be quite messy and hard to untangle. But when we have these cases where multiple people are accusing the same person of the same thing, just keep your damn trap shut. It's disgusting how our society treats this type of thing as a subject for public debate. This is between the folks involved and the respective legal agencies involved, and nothing is helped by people subtley saying "stupid ladies, they lie about man." Bringing this kind of accusation public takes courage. I don't see anyone leaping to defend Nest's CEO for his alleged instances of abuse. No one on HN has commented that people accusing Tony of being a jerk are just character assassins. I'd imagine plenty of people have axes to grind against Tony and Jake both, but when someone comes forward to make an accusation against the CEO, no one even argues against it. The ladies (and some men) however, are expected to provide evidence, pictures, videos, statements, DNA tests, rape kits, etc. You can defend Jake and think whatever you want, but let's refrain from insinuating that multiple parties are lying about a single party. If this were a consensus algorithm, Jake's data would be overwritten, folks. Cosby's the same way: do you really think 40+ women are just lying to get attention? That all said, yes the site with the stories is ham-fisted. That doesn't make every accusation everywhere false. It just means some people are very upset at Jake.
mikeyouse 10y ago
For those confused, several people have accused him of sexual harassment and at least one has accused him of outright rape. http://jacobappelbaum.net/ http://jacobappelbaum.net/ https://twitter.com/VictimsOfJake https://twitter.com/VictimsOfJake Before people get too conspiratorial about honeypots and whatever else, Andrea Shepard is a core developer and had this to say: https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/738581432893743104 https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/73858143289374310... > Precommitment revealed: sha256("It seems one rapist is one rapist too many\n")
- e40 10y ago
  The "Forest" story seems to be labeled wrong. It's clearly written by a woman.
  - Jasper_ 10y ago
    All the names are pseudonyms, I imagine. Forest can also be a woman's name.
    - powera 10y ago
      In addition to the mixed-gender pseudonyms, I think all the "Stories" have Applebaum's picture, rather than the person named. Which makes it hella confusing. I'm not entirely sure I believe there's more than one person responsible for any of the content on the website.
- venomsnake 10y ago
  Yep. The hash checks out with what she posted before. bfb9a7c833a5fc8f5a938d816b1bbc4acaa06519fdb1af4c8632719596807dac
- omginternets 10y ago
  >It seems one rapist is one rapist too many I'm not sure I understand what this means. How am I to interpret this?
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scottlocklin 10y ago
Some good advice on there: "People who believe they may have been victims of criminal behavior are advised to contact law enforcement."
- ultramancool 10y ago
  Seriously. Vigilante websites before a trial just makes this look like a character assassination attempt.
- tptacek 10y ago
  You'd do better to continue the quote, which goes on to cite one reason (among many) that victims might not contact law enforcement.
  - otterley 10y ago
    Those reasons, while understandable, shouldn't stop alleged victims with contacting LE anyway. Humiliation sucks, and distrust is understandable, but letting a rapist go unpunished for their crimes due to silence is worse.
- rodgerd 10y ago
  Sure, good advice in the same way it would be "good advice" to take up concerns of criminal behaviour within the NSA to "contact law enforcement".
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kkirsche 10y ago
I just wish there was something more to this here. While I can't speak for either side, I always struggle with this type of accusation as anyone can say anything. Consensual and didn't like something after can lead to false allegations. The flip side is these action(s) did happen and that's horrible. for me, I always feel this shouldn't be public at all because a false allegation does similar damage reputationally that a real one does. For this reason, if the victim goes to social media I no longer believe them since the risk of damage to good people outweighs the crime to my moral stance. I respect that others may not agree with this though.
- astronautjones 10y ago
  the volume of accusations are hard to ignore, but his silence is probably the most damning aspect
  - otterley 10y ago
    If you were his attorney, what would you tell him to say?
chx 10y ago
Right now he is still on https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en
gameofdrones 10y ago
If someone happens to be a high-profile security researcher, they can safely assume their behavior is under an Argus smartphone camera HPC cluster of microscopes and therefore should take extraordinary care to avoid any appearance of impropriety, even where none exists (just like when working at an elite university or MBB consulting shop). With Twitter and YouTube in every pocket, everyone is a potential journalist. If there happen to be a few feminist crazy people actively trying to destroy and entrap folks, then extra care with public interactions, coworkers and others is a best practice, and being guarded about whom is let into private parties as well. Finally, it may or may not be applicable to this scenario, but a common failure pattern occurs when people sell themselves on the delusion of boundary-less, untouchable privilege and then end up in hubris and legal trouble (i.e., Jimmy Savile, Bill Cosby, etc.)
herbst 10y ago
I dont care about that guy, he was never a favorite of mine. But the way the people around Tor publicised this with reusing the phrase rape again and again really disappointed me. They know exactly how easy it is to shout rape and destroy someones life, still they did exactly that, even thought all we know is that he is a sexist asshole. What does not particular make him to a rapist.

131 points by tshtf 10y ago

mtgx 10y ago

First Assange, now Appelbaum. What's next? Snowden being accused of sexual mistreatment, too? Whatever they're accusing him of may have very well happened, but it's just a little strange how this keeps happening to the government's "enemies".

hellbanner 10y ago
What I found strange is I can't google for any details on this, there's just Tor's statement. No one publically speaking about it, or Google censorship? Also, you were downvoted but you shouldn't have been -- you raise IMO a valid concern. Pro-state bots?
- tptacek 10y ago
  "Google censorship" is a pretty powerful claim to make for someone who's research into Appelbaum was tricked by an obvious parody article, which you just on this thread presented as fact.
  - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
    Why don't you just openly call him stupid since that's what you're implying, or just not post at all if you can't refrain from doing so.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      Uninformed is not the same thing as "stupid".
      - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
        I just read your comment again, and you're lying. "Tricked by an obvious parody article." That's compatible with "stupid" but not with "uninformed". You were also being a smartass about it, which is rude.
  - hellbanner 10y ago
    Rushed for time and stressed from work, it went over my head. I'm annoyed that the parody showed up before details of the "misconduct" did.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      It's fine that you're not up to date on who Jacob Appelbaum is, how the Tor community works, or what its origins are. But you should be careful about being strident about topics you're unfamiliar with.
- xoa 10y ago
  >No one publically speaking about it Re-read The Tor Project's statement before you start throwing out wild conspiracy theories, seriously. As they say "We have been working with a legal firm that specializes in employment issues including sexual misconduct. They are advising us on how to handle this, and we intend to follow their advice." And a big part of that legal advice (any competent attorney's advice) for something of this nature will boil down to "Please oh please shut up until it's all over and done with, and think carefully about saying anything even then." The accusations at least are extremely serious, criminal felony serious, and at that point publicly speaking much about it except maybe when thorough vetted by a lawyer is usually going to be an exceptionally poor idea, and that's true regardless of the truth of the accusations or defense (assuming that is even clear cut or uniform). They owe an acknowledgement to their community and team, and a clear statement of principles, which they've done with their public statement. But anything much more then that at this point is effectively certain to be at best partially correct, at worst outright mistaken, with endless potential for legally shooting themselves in the gut and/or, ignoring law entirely, burning bridges and hurting important team members down the road. The wheels will and should turn consistently, but with deliberation and care as well. It's always possible to say more later, and should there be a criminal and/or civil trial then of course much would come out there, but what one says cannot be unsaid, so when in doubt silence is best. That's true in general, let alone with a sensitive, targeted and specialized project like Tor.
nisa 10y ago
All? female Tor devs univocally talk about rape/sexual misconduct while not all mentioning him personally it seems quite clear that these claims are not understood as an external smear campaign but a long lasting issue within Tor and no one that is knowing him is stepping up to defend him. At least on Twitter. Tor acknowledges that there are rumours and that the issue is investigated. I'm kind of shocked about the methods (character assassination website, @TimeToDieJake Twitter account) but who am I to judge. This looks like it's serious or should at least taken seriously. Difficult to judge as an outsider through.
- maerF0x0 10y ago
  All of these vigillante justice style attacks are an affront to true justice which should have been to speak to his superiors and to the police. Once all the data has been collected and a jury has made a choice, then we can make terrible websites about him. He's been treated as guilty before given a chance to be proven as such.
  - venomsnake 10y ago
    There are libel laws. And he may even find a friendly billionaire to bankroll his lawsuit. But here is the thing - it is the public that is guilty of treating him like guilty. There is nothing wrong with airing accusations. But the proper reaction is to not take a side - to say - lets the court figure it out. But we as a society are unable to do so. We don't want justice - we want to have it our way. Preferably now.
    - maerF0x0 10y ago
      I will grant a great quote however "Justice delayed is justice denied"[1] . That is why its important for victims to goto authorities IMMEDIATELY. Not 40 yrs later, not after the next victim speaks up. RIGHT NOW. I'm sure there are complications I'm glossing over, having never been a victim of sexual assault. But the timing is imperative. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_denied https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_delayed_is_justice_den...
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tptacek 10y ago
What's happening is that you pay disproportionate attention to accusations against "the government's enemies", and not much attention at all to accusations of people in the government. Here, you have a story about someone removing themselves from a private project over accusations. Nowhere in your comment do you, for instance, acknowledge Denny Hastert being sentenced to 15 months in prison. Also: of the people who do serious work on counter-censorship, anonymity, privacy, and the like, the overwhelming majority have had no accusations made at all. For that matter, despite a long prison sentence, neither has Chelsea Manning. Could it be that your sample size here is "2"?
- brador 10y ago
  Applebaum is a big fish in a community under consideration whose removal and replacement could be justifiable under national security. The setup for this hints at a managed campaign. Twitter, anonymous hit piece, website with stories. The kind of plan that comes out of a powerpoint. There may be truth in the accusations, but the evidence does hint at a guiding hand fleshing them out.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I can and do doubt that.
  - powera 10y ago
    No. You're basically saying that there's no evidence that it's a coordinated campaign (really, the fact that it was talked about on Twitter isn't evidence of anything at all), and that lack of evidence is why it has to be a coordinated campaign. Which is a logical fallacy at best. EDIT: that wasn't quite what I meant. There's some evidence that somebody is coordinating it. There's no evidence that it's a hostile government. The evidence suggests that the coordinator is somebody who feels that they were sexually harassed.
    - brador 10y ago
      No. I said there are hints of evidence of a coordinated campaign. Which there are. This could be from the number of people involved, or a guiding hand. I placed no stake in the ground on either possibility. Your personal attack at calling it a logical fallacy is noted.

hellbanner 10y ago

Hm, does this have anything to do with: http://chronicle.su/2015/06/17/jacob-appelbaum-expelled-from-wikileaks-organization-after-opm-hack-reveals-tor-is-funded-by-us-navy/ http://chronicle.su/2015/06/17/jacob-appelbaum-expelled-from... Or this? https://pando.com/2015/06/22/how-aclu-helped-government-harass-jacob-appelbaum/ https://pando.com/2015/06/22/how-aclu-helped-government-hara...

tptacek 10y ago
I'm pretty sure that chronicle.su article is a parody. One tip-off: Tor was created at the Naval Postgraduate School.
- hellbanner 10y ago
  Thank you, rushed for time and grabbed what I scanned off of Google.
neuromute 10y ago
Took me a second to realise that first link is satire!

1918231111 10y ago

Looks like another neo-puritan witch hunt.

superkuh 10y ago

Sexual misconduct claims seem to be the go-to for attacking providers of technological solutions to censorship.

venomsnake 10y ago
Powerful men do tend to have trouble keeping their pants zipped when they should. We have had enough scandals in politics/business to confirm that. Berlusconi, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Clinton, Petraeus and many more in the last two decades. When there are accusations - I generally give the benefit of doubt to the accused. But if the chain of women claiming trouble approaches a miliCosby - then it is time to retract said benefit.
sheepleherd 10y ago
or, "people with secrets to keep and who enjoy socially frowned upon entertainments are attracted to privacy, anonymity, and encryption projects", ya know, scratch the itch, right. I was working at one time on a really interesting p2p project but at a certain time it just seemed to me that we were building a "nefarious purposes" anonymous distributed database that didn't really have a strong other reason to exist. It didn't become less technically interesting but I started scrutinizing both my coworkers' zeal and personal quirks for evidence of untoward motivation. I left the project for other reasons and the project fizzled for other other reasons.
VonGuard 10y ago
Vulgar as the attack site is, I am really getting quite tired of the go-to "she lies" stuff we see all over the Internet. Proper etiquette should be to not comment at all on such situations if you "side" with either party, but particularly the accused. At least until whatever investigations there are have concluded. I get so sick of how every tech site has dozens of comments when things like this happen, all of them stating that the victims are liars, or strongly insinuating it. How often do we find out that multiple parties accusing a single person of sexual assault were wrong? Let's be fair here, defending the accused inherently means you're calling the victim(s) liars, especially this early in the event cycle. You're immediately assuming the accusers are lying for personal gain. You're being biased. When it's a simple "he said, she said," fine, argue over character if you must. When it's just two parties involved, it can be quite messy and hard to untangle. But when we have these cases where multiple people are accusing the same person of the same thing, just keep your damn trap shut. It's disgusting how our society treats this type of thing as a subject for public debate. This is between the folks involved and the respective legal agencies involved, and nothing is helped by people subtley saying "stupid ladies, they lie about man." Bringing this kind of accusation public takes courage. I don't see anyone leaping to defend Nest's CEO for his alleged instances of abuse. No one on HN has commented that people accusing Tony of being a jerk are just character assassins. I'd imagine plenty of people have axes to grind against Tony and Jake both, but when someone comes forward to make an accusation against the CEO, no one even argues against it. The ladies (and some men) however, are expected to provide evidence, pictures, videos, statements, DNA tests, rape kits, etc. You can defend Jake and think whatever you want, but let's refrain from insinuating that multiple parties are lying about a single party. If this were a consensus algorithm, Jake's data would be overwritten, folks. Cosby's the same way: do you really think 40+ women are just lying to get attention? That all said, yes the site with the stories is ham-fisted. That doesn't make every accusation everywhere false. It just means some people are very upset at Jake.

mikeyouse 10y ago

For those confused, several people have accused him of sexual harassment and at least one has accused him of outright rape. http://jacobappelbaum.net/ http://jacobappelbaum.net/ https://twitter.com/VictimsOfJake https://twitter.com/VictimsOfJake Before people get too conspiratorial about honeypots and whatever else, Andrea Shepard is a core developer and had this to say: https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/738581432893743104 https://twitter.com/puellavulnerata/status/73858143289374310... > Precommitment revealed: sha256("It seems one rapist is one rapist too many\n")

e40 10y ago
The "Forest" story seems to be labeled wrong. It's clearly written by a woman.
- Jasper_ 10y ago
  All the names are pseudonyms, I imagine. Forest can also be a woman's name.
  - powera 10y ago
    In addition to the mixed-gender pseudonyms, I think all the "Stories" have Applebaum's picture, rather than the person named. Which makes it hella confusing. I'm not entirely sure I believe there's more than one person responsible for any of the content on the website.
venomsnake 10y ago
Yep. The hash checks out with what she posted before. bfb9a7c833a5fc8f5a938d816b1bbc4acaa06519fdb1af4c8632719596807dac
omginternets 10y ago
>It seems one rapist is one rapist too many I'm not sure I understand what this means. How am I to interpret this?
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scottlocklin 10y ago

Some good advice on there: "People who believe they may have been victims of criminal behavior are advised to contact law enforcement."

ultramancool 10y ago
Seriously. Vigilante websites before a trial just makes this look like a character assassination attempt.
tptacek 10y ago
You'd do better to continue the quote, which goes on to cite one reason (among many) that victims might not contact law enforcement.
- otterley 10y ago
  Those reasons, while understandable, shouldn't stop alleged victims with contacting LE anyway. Humiliation sucks, and distrust is understandable, but letting a rapist go unpunished for their crimes due to silence is worse.
rodgerd 10y ago
Sure, good advice in the same way it would be "good advice" to take up concerns of criminal behaviour within the NSA to "contact law enforcement".

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kkirsche 10y ago

I just wish there was something more to this here. While I can't speak for either side, I always struggle with this type of accusation as anyone can say anything. Consensual and didn't like something after can lead to false allegations. The flip side is these action(s) did happen and that's horrible. for me, I always feel this shouldn't be public at all because a false allegation does similar damage reputationally that a real one does. For this reason, if the victim goes to social media I no longer believe them since the risk of damage to good people outweighs the crime to my moral stance. I respect that others may not agree with this though.

astronautjones 10y ago
the volume of accusations are hard to ignore, but his silence is probably the most damning aspect
- otterley 10y ago
  If you were his attorney, what would you tell him to say?

chx 10y ago

Right now he is still on https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en https://www.torproject.org/about/corepeople.html.en

gameofdrones 10y ago

If someone happens to be a high-profile security researcher, they can safely assume their behavior is under an Argus smartphone camera HPC cluster of microscopes and therefore should take extraordinary care to avoid any appearance of impropriety, even where none exists (just like when working at an elite university or MBB consulting shop). With Twitter and YouTube in every pocket, everyone is a potential journalist. If there happen to be a few feminist crazy people actively trying to destroy and entrap folks, then extra care with public interactions, coworkers and others is a best practice, and being guarded about whom is let into private parties as well. Finally, it may or may not be applicable to this scenario, but a common failure pattern occurs when people sell themselves on the delusion of boundary-less, untouchable privilege and then end up in hubris and legal trouble (i.e., Jimmy Savile, Bill Cosby, etc.)

herbst 10y ago

I dont care about that guy, he was never a favorite of mine. But the way the people around Tor publicised this with reusing the phrase rape again and again really disappointed me. They know exactly how easy it is to shout rape and destroy someones life, still they did exactly that, even thought all we know is that he is a sexist asshole. What does not particular make him to a rapist.