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>2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext >3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously

>2. All of your messages are beholden to a private company, permanently stored in plaintext >3. They analyze said messages to deliver advertisements. Seriously, one time I mentioned buying a Samsung SSD to my friend in chat, and all of a sudden I got a ton of SSD advertisements on the sidebar. Same thing when I mentioned Rick and Morty. These are poor complaints, unless your circle of friends is so insular on the the (justifiably) paranoid side of tech that everyone is running their own mail servers and using GPG day to day.

dvtv75 10y ago
You appear to have no problem with a company building up a profile of your likes and dislikes, so they can try and sell stuff to you. That's fine. Why expect that of others, though?
- superuser2 10y ago
  Because it is overwhelmingly what they deliver. The very edgiest of the edgy use Telegram 1-2% of the time. Exactly one person in my social network installed Signal and he gave up on it after about 2 days. No one would dream of touching GPG. The .5% of the time an email address does not end in @gmail.com, it is a Google Apps account. Are your friends all Tor developers or something? I just can't imagine a set of family/friends/acquaintances who actually run their own Postfix and care what a public key is. I'll accept the existence of an advertising profile (I don't see the ads, anyway) before I'lll cease all communication with everyone in my network, which is what it would take to avoid Facebook (or the exact same problem with a different company).
  - pikachu_is_cool 10y ago
    Am I the only person who is totally fine with just texting people? I mean, given this is HN, maybe all of you people use Android and have no idea how amazing iMessage is.
    - superuser2 10y ago
      Regular SMS is among the least secure communication mechanisms available. I trust Facebook a thousand times more than Verizon. iMessage is nice, but many of the people I converse with regularly aren't in the Apple ecosystem.
      - pikachu_is_cool 10y ago
        I mean, you're not wrong there, but personally I'd rather have my private conversations in the hands of Verizon than Facebook. Facebook actually sees the value in the private conversations and tries to monetize it. Verizon, on the other hand, has bigger fish to fry. I'd rather give my conversations to a company that sees storing/processing messages as a liability, rather than an asset.

dvtv75 10y ago

You appear to have no problem with a company building up a profile of your likes and dislikes, so they can try and sell stuff to you. That's fine. Why expect that of others, though?

superuser2 10y ago
Because it is overwhelmingly what they deliver. The very edgiest of the edgy use Telegram 1-2% of the time. Exactly one person in my social network installed Signal and he gave up on it after about 2 days. No one would dream of touching GPG. The .5% of the time an email address does not end in @gmail.com, it is a Google Apps account. Are your friends all Tor developers or something? I just can't imagine a set of family/friends/acquaintances who actually run their own Postfix and care what a public key is. I'll accept the existence of an advertising profile (I don't see the ads, anyway) before I'lll cease all communication with everyone in my network, which is what it would take to avoid Facebook (or the exact same problem with a different company).
- pikachu_is_cool 10y ago
  Am I the only person who is totally fine with just texting people? I mean, given this is HN, maybe all of you people use Android and have no idea how amazing iMessage is.
  - superuser2 10y ago
    Regular SMS is among the least secure communication mechanisms available. I trust Facebook a thousand times more than Verizon. iMessage is nice, but many of the people I converse with regularly aren't in the Apple ecosystem.
    - pikachu_is_cool 10y ago
      I mean, you're not wrong there, but personally I'd rather have my private conversations in the hands of Verizon than Facebook. Facebook actually sees the value in the private conversations and tries to monetize it. Verizon, on the other hand, has bigger fish to fry. I'd rather give my conversations to a company that sees storing/processing messages as a liability, rather than an asset.