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As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having a

As per the post[0], the upgrade did not crash the computer BUT it did download 6Gb of data over satellite-internet which can be quite expensive. OP is having an AMA[1]. 0.https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_in_the_central_african_bush_we_pay_for/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4mcdon/i_live_i... 1.https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accidental_it_guy_antipoaching_pilot_in/ https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4mirin/i_am_the_accid...

trhway 10y ago
i wish some trial lawyers found an opportunity here for a class action against MS. Couple weeks ago one of our laptops became Win 10. May be it is better than Win 8.1, yet i still would have wanted to be a part of that decision :)
- curiousgal 10y ago
  https://www.grc.com/never10.htm https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
  - trhway 10y ago
    exactly - either forced upgrade or downloading and running some utility from a site/company i see for the first time and have never heard about :)
    - TillE 10y ago
      Steve Gibson is a little strange, but he's trustworthy.
      - xufi 10y ago
        Yep, I have to say the second I heard about GRC and discovered the software he made such as SpinRIte for HDD"s I was hooked
    - curiousgal 10y ago
      You can check the technical details https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm It basically does what Microsoft would do in order to keep Windows from upgrading.
    - morganvachon 10y ago
      Steve Gibson is one of the most trusted developers of the past few decades. His SpinRite software is a life saver. Please read about him before dismissing him out of hand because you've not heard of him. There's more to the world than what's inside your box.
  - dghughes 10y ago
    >Never10 does NOT prevent the installation of Windows updates, including the infamous Get Windows 10 (GWX) update KB3035583. Never10 simply employs Microsoft's documented and sanctioned configuration settings to instruct it NOT to change the installed version of Windows. That would not have helped in this situation OP stated what hurt them was the huge amount bandwidth (6GB) used on an account where they pay per MB.
    - Veratyr 10y ago
      What it actually does [0] is set group policy according to the Microsoft specified methods [1]. It would have helped in this situation as not only would Windows not have downloaded the update in the first place, it would have deleted it had it already been somehow downloaded. [0]: https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm [1]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351
- zanny 10y ago
  I'd personally see people just stop using Windows. The more people using Linux, the more money in the market for Wine to get better and better replace all the Windows APIs for everyones "I cannot use Linux because X program is Windows only" software. I mean, I'm already playing Skyrim natively on an AMD GPU thanks to Gallium Nine. And that is only because there has been a lot of internal pressure in the community to have the best Windows only games running here. The more people we get to switch, the more market for businesses to make the process of switching easier. Of course, we still need Ubuntu (or SteamOS) computers in stores. That would be a nice start. It is hard to get people to switch when they need someone with technical know-how to violate their warranties and give them no commercial support unless you have a small business IT shop like what I run in the evenings that will do it.
  - curiousgal 10y ago
    Ever since I could run 1Password using Wine with full browser integration, I've completely turned my back to Windows.
    - harikb 10y ago
      Oh it does? I am trying it today! I wouldn't believe browser integration until I try it...
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
13of40 10y ago
I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.
- aluhut 10y ago
  "Everyone" meaning Apple fans. A special group on it's own. Known for paying more attention on the curves of the over expensive items they buy.
  - merb 10y ago
    I have a Apple iPhone 5 and a Mac (OS X) currently neither of them forced an OS upgrade to me. I always needed to explicitly click the install button. With software its a little bit diffrent, but major/minor OS upgrades i.e. OS X 10.9 > 10.10 > 10.11 (everything between 10.11.1 etc) needed an explicit click and on iOS the same.
    - aluhut 10y ago
      Wouldn't you complain if they'd just pushed it without asking?
  - dang 10y ago
    Please don't do this here.
- newacct23 10y ago
  I don't know about iOS but I have never had a forced upgrade with a mac laptop.
- LeoPanthera 10y ago
  The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no. There are plenty of people being force-upgraded to 10 who never consented.
JupiterMoon 10y ago
At least now they have windows 10 they can mark the connection as metered.
m_mueller 10y ago
While MS is clearly using dark patterns here IMO the user is at mostly fault for the internet bill. If you have an expensive metered internet connection and you don't do all the necessary steps to prohibit autoupdates it's only a matter of time until this repeats itself with any other software installed. The Win10 update never circumvented a disabled auto-update-download setting, correct?

trhway 10y ago

i wish some trial lawyers found an opportunity here for a class action against MS. Couple weeks ago one of our laptops became Win 10. May be it is better than Win 8.1, yet i still would have wanted to be a part of that decision :)

curiousgal 10y ago
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm https://www.grc.com/never10.htm
- trhway 10y ago
  exactly - either forced upgrade or downloading and running some utility from a site/company i see for the first time and have never heard about :)
  - TillE 10y ago
    Steve Gibson is a little strange, but he's trustworthy.
    - xufi 10y ago
      Yep, I have to say the second I heard about GRC and discovered the software he made such as SpinRIte for HDD"s I was hooked
  - curiousgal 10y ago
    You can check the technical details https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm It basically does what Microsoft would do in order to keep Windows from upgrading.
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    Steve Gibson is one of the most trusted developers of the past few decades. His SpinRite software is a life saver. Please read about him before dismissing him out of hand because you've not heard of him. There's more to the world than what's inside your box.
- dghughes 10y ago
  >Never10 does NOT prevent the installation of Windows updates, including the infamous Get Windows 10 (GWX) update KB3035583. Never10 simply employs Microsoft's documented and sanctioned configuration settings to instruct it NOT to change the installed version of Windows. That would not have helped in this situation OP stated what hurt them was the huge amount bandwidth (6GB) used on an account where they pay per MB.
  - Veratyr 10y ago
    What it actually does [0] is set group policy according to the Microsoft specified methods [1]. It would have helped in this situation as not only would Windows not have downloaded the update in the first place, it would have deleted it had it already been somehow downloaded. [0]: https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm [1]: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3080351
zanny 10y ago
I'd personally see people just stop using Windows. The more people using Linux, the more money in the market for Wine to get better and better replace all the Windows APIs for everyones "I cannot use Linux because X program is Windows only" software. I mean, I'm already playing Skyrim natively on an AMD GPU thanks to Gallium Nine. And that is only because there has been a lot of internal pressure in the community to have the best Windows only games running here. The more people we get to switch, the more market for businesses to make the process of switching easier. Of course, we still need Ubuntu (or SteamOS) computers in stores. That would be a nice start. It is hard to get people to switch when they need someone with technical know-how to violate their warranties and give them no commercial support unless you have a small business IT shop like what I run in the evenings that will do it.
- curiousgal 10y ago
  Ever since I could run 1Password using Wine with full browser integration, I've completely turned my back to Windows.
  - harikb 10y ago
    Oh it does? I am trying it today! I wouldn't believe browser integration until I try it...
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]

13of40 10y ago

I think it's weird that so many people want to demonize Microsoft for snapping to a model that Apple has been using for a decade. I'm currently in one of those weeks where every time I wake up my iPad I have to click through two separate dialogs to tell it that, no, I don't want to install the updated version of iOS it downloaded without asking. Yet everyone is fine with this. I mean, except the Linux guys, I guess.

aluhut 10y ago
"Everyone" meaning Apple fans. A special group on it's own. Known for paying more attention on the curves of the over expensive items they buy.
- merb 10y ago
  I have a Apple iPhone 5 and a Mac (OS X) currently neither of them forced an OS upgrade to me. I always needed to explicitly click the install button. With software its a little bit diffrent, but major/minor OS upgrades i.e. OS X 10.9 > 10.10 > 10.11 (everything between 10.11.1 etc) needed an explicit click and on iOS the same.
  - aluhut 10y ago
    Wouldn't you complain if they'd just pushed it without asking?
- dang 10y ago
  Please don't do this here.
newacct23 10y ago
I don't know about iOS but I have never had a forced upgrade with a mac laptop.
LeoPanthera 10y ago
The difference is, iOS asks. You can say no. There are plenty of people being force-upgraded to 10 who never consented.

JupiterMoon 10y ago

At least now they have windows 10 they can mark the connection as metered.

m_mueller 10y ago

While MS is clearly using dark patterns here IMO the user is at mostly fault for the internet bill. If you have an expensive metered internet connection and you don't do all the necessary steps to prohibit autoupdates it's only a matter of time until this repeats itself with any other software installed. The Win10 update never circumvented a disabled auto-update-download setting, correct?