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So much complaining. The web app version is crap, of course they want to move people over to the app. Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they

by calsy 10y ago

So much complaining. The web app version is crap, of course they want to move people over to the app. Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they can focus their attention on the very successful mobile app. Its just good business sense and seeing that 99.9999999999% of Facebook users already have Messenger installed, its a non issue.

stirner 10y ago
> Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they can focus their attention on the very successful mobile app. Perhaps because the web version is not limited to the proprietary runtime of a single operating system.
- baby 10y ago
  I would think most phones support a messenger app. Except if you have a really old or bare phone, but then it might not even support internet?
  - stirner 10y ago
    There are many devices that are not smartphones. Yes, most devices support the abstract concept of a messenger app, but they each have their own runtimes and APIs that the app must be written for. Writing a web version supports a huge number of clients in a single pass.
omarforgotpwd 10y ago
Seriously, I am surprised by how out of touch most people on HN are. I'm 23 and everyone I know uses this app, and it's pretty good. One of the main reasons people use it is that you can type in the name of anyone you've ever met and start talking to them instantly. The idea that people are going to stop using Facebook because they no longer support messaging on the mobile web is laughable any place but HN. Any serious FB messaging user knows the app is much better than the mobile web client, which nobody uses.
reustle 10y ago
I wonder if they will just make http://messenger.com http://messenger.com more mobile friendly. It's all I use on my laptop.
xviia 10y ago
Facebook once changed all e-mail addresses to @facebook.com Facebook can sync with your contacts and make a huge jumbled mess Facebook app drains battery Facebook app demands elevated privileges that it shouldn't need Facebook may or may not be listening to your microphone
SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
The web app version has a whole lot of features that the installed app doesn't: * It takes up zero phone memory. Yes, this is still an issue on really cheap Android phones. [0] * It takes up zero phone resources, unlike the Facebook app, which is known for slowing down your entire phone. [1] * The messenger app wants to send me notifications about stupid things and collect personal data using its over-broad permissions. I don't trust Facebook, and I'm not a tinfoil hat type. * I don't want another chat ecosystem in my life, but if someone does message me on Facebook, I'd like to be able to see it on my phone without having to install an idiotic, resource-sapping, spyware app. I really, really don't want a "good" Facebook chat solution. People want to chat with me, they can use Skype, Google Hangouts, or Slack. Or just send me an email and we can talk on the phone. [0] http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_core_prime-6716.php http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_core_prime-6716.php [1] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/207468 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/207468
- calsy 10y ago
  Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Notifications, they can be turned off. Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. The messenger app is not resource intensive, it works fine. What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Facebook is not spying on you, as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do.
  - SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
    >Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Sarcasm much? If I'm not using it, it's using no resources. When I'm using it, then duh, it uses transient resources in Chrome, but when I close the tab, it's back to zero. If I end up using it once every two months, the amortized resource usage is probably 0.1% of an app that needs to receive push notifications. >Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. Shill much? I just tried to check to see how many people had even tried to contact me in the last year on Messenger, and it looks like I've received about 5 messages in 12 months. But it's hard to tell, because the web app keeps crashing/locking up. No other chat ecosystem I'm connected to behaves that poorly. If you're using it with all your friends, have a blast. Just don't expect me to respond quickly if you message me; email on my secondary email account would be faster. When I checked just now I found a message that I hadn't noticed and that had sat, unanswered, for 9 months. Not the best way to get a hold of me. >What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Nothing. But Hangouts is on my (Android) phone and in my life anyway. Skype is what business contacts seem to always want to use; I swear it has a 99.9% market penetration for companies that do remote work or hire remote workers. Skype also has awesome Skype-to-phone calling, including 3-way calls, that works great with my high quality microphone and speakers, so I can talk hands free and everyone can understand me well. And Slack is ideal for group and work-team hangouts. Why would I buy into another ecosystem? Just so that I can install yet another app on my phone and on my desktop? I am very reachable by email. If you know my name, you can likely find a contact email for me within 15 minutes. If someone doesn't have my email address and doesn't care enough to put in 2-15 minutes of "research" to find it, I'm not sure if I care whether they can easily contact me. And if they must use Messenger, well, I'm sure I'll see their message eventually. >as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do. I'll just leave these here: http://www.geek.com/news/facebook-like-button-tracks-you-even-if-you-dont-click-1380793/ http://www.geek.com/news/facebook-like-button-tracks-you-eve... http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_matters http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_mat... https://www.teachprivacy.com/10-reasons-privacy-matters/ https://www.teachprivacy.com/10-reasons-privacy-matters/ https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter... Many of these focus on government access to information, but many times companies have just handed over anything the government has asked for without a fight. Facebook absolutely is watching me along with billions of other people. No, no one at Facebook cares, but they're compiling a huge dossier on practically everyone on the planet. So is Google, but I believe that Google at least tries to Do No Harm. And I don't use Gmail as my primary mail service, either -- I also use Duck Duck Go for most of my searches. I just think it's not healthy for any one company to have too much information about everyone. Makes an oppressive government's job too easy, if one should arise coughTrumpcough.
dTal 10y ago
Easy on the 9s there buddy, that's one in a trillion.
- calsy 10y ago
  You're right, more for dramatic effect.

by calsy 10y ago

stirner 10y ago

> Why waste resources on an inferior web version when they can focus their attention on the very successful mobile app. Perhaps because the web version is not limited to the proprietary runtime of a single operating system.

baby 10y ago
I would think most phones support a messenger app. Except if you have a really old or bare phone, but then it might not even support internet?
- stirner 10y ago
  There are many devices that are not smartphones. Yes, most devices support the abstract concept of a messenger app, but they each have their own runtimes and APIs that the app must be written for. Writing a web version supports a huge number of clients in a single pass.

omarforgotpwd 10y ago

Seriously, I am surprised by how out of touch most people on HN are. I'm 23 and everyone I know uses this app, and it's pretty good. One of the main reasons people use it is that you can type in the name of anyone you've ever met and start talking to them instantly. The idea that people are going to stop using Facebook because they no longer support messaging on the mobile web is laughable any place but HN. Any serious FB messaging user knows the app is much better than the mobile web client, which nobody uses.

reustle 10y ago

I wonder if they will just make http://messenger.com http://messenger.com more mobile friendly. It's all I use on my laptop.

xviia 10y ago

Facebook once changed all e-mail addresses to @facebook.com Facebook can sync with your contacts and make a huge jumbled mess Facebook app drains battery Facebook app demands elevated privileges that it shouldn't need Facebook may or may not be listening to your microphone

SomeCallMeTim 10y ago

The web app version has a whole lot of features that the installed app doesn't: * It takes up zero phone memory. Yes, this is still an issue on really cheap Android phones. [0] * It takes up zero phone resources, unlike the Facebook app, which is known for slowing down your entire phone. [1] * The messenger app wants to send me notifications about stupid things and collect personal data using its over-broad permissions. I don't trust Facebook, and I'm not a tinfoil hat type. * I don't want another chat ecosystem in my life, but if someone does message me on Facebook, I'd like to be able to see it on my phone without having to install an idiotic, resource-sapping, spyware app. I really, really don't want a "good" Facebook chat solution. People want to chat with me, they can use Skype, Google Hangouts, or Slack. Or just send me an email and we can talk on the phone. [0] http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_core_prime-6716.php http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_core_prime-6716.php [1] http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/207468 http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/207468

calsy 10y ago
Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Notifications, they can be turned off. Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. The messenger app is not resource intensive, it works fine. What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Facebook is not spying on you, as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do.
- SomeCallMeTim 10y ago
  >Takes up zero memory and resources, that must be some magical web app. Sarcasm much? If I'm not using it, it's using no resources. When I'm using it, then duh, it uses transient resources in Chrome, but when I close the tab, it's back to zero. If I end up using it once every two months, the amortized resource usage is probably 0.1% of an app that needs to receive push notifications. >Messenger is not a just another chat ecosystem, it is THE chat ecosystem. Shill much? I just tried to check to see how many people had even tried to contact me in the last year on Messenger, and it looks like I've received about 5 messages in 12 months. But it's hard to tell, because the web app keeps crashing/locking up. No other chat ecosystem I'm connected to behaves that poorly. If you're using it with all your friends, have a blast. Just don't expect me to respond quickly if you message me; email on my secondary email account would be faster. When I checked just now I found a message that I hadn't noticed and that had sat, unanswered, for 9 months. Not the best way to get a hold of me. >What makes you think Google, Microsoft and the Slack teams intentions are more "pure" than Facebook? Nothing. But Hangouts is on my (Android) phone and in my life anyway. Skype is what business contacts seem to always want to use; I swear it has a 99.9% market penetration for companies that do remote work or hire remote workers. Skype also has awesome Skype-to-phone calling, including 3-way calls, that works great with my high quality microphone and speakers, so I can talk hands free and everyone can understand me well. And Slack is ideal for group and work-team hangouts. Why would I buy into another ecosystem? Just so that I can install yet another app on my phone and on my desktop? I am very reachable by email. If you know my name, you can likely find a contact email for me within 15 minutes. If someone doesn't have my email address and doesn't care enough to put in 2-15 minutes of "research" to find it, I'm not sure if I care whether they can easily contact me. And if they must use Messenger, well, I'm sure I'll see their message eventually. >as much as you like to think your special, no one cares what you, yourself do. I'll just leave these here: http://www.geek.com/news/facebook-like-button-tracks-you-even-if-you-dont-click-1380793/ http://www.geek.com/news/facebook-like-button-tracks-you-eve... http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_matters http://www.ted.com/talks/alessandro_acquisti_why_privacy_mat... https://www.teachprivacy.com/10-reasons-privacy-matters/ https://www.teachprivacy.com/10-reasons-privacy-matters/ https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matters?language=en https://www.ted.com/talks/glenn_greenwald_why_privacy_matter... Many of these focus on government access to information, but many times companies have just handed over anything the government has asked for without a fight. Facebook absolutely is watching me along with billions of other people. No, no one at Facebook cares, but they're compiling a huge dossier on practically everyone on the planet. So is Google, but I believe that Google at least tries to Do No Harm. And I don't use Gmail as my primary mail service, either -- I also use Duck Duck Go for most of my searches. I just think it's not healthy for any one company to have too much information about everyone. Makes an oppressive government's job too easy, if one should arise coughTrumpcough.

dTal 10y ago

Easy on the 9s there buddy, that's one in a trillion.

calsy 10y ago
You're right, more for dramatic effect.