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Yes! I've tried so many times to get started with Clojure and Clojurescript, and when I'm trying to set up the environment from scratch (because to learn it I

Yes! I've tried so many times to get started with Clojure and Clojurescript, and when I'm trying to set up the environment from scratch (because to learn it I have to understand how all pieces fit together) I just get hopelessly lost. Broken deps, files to edit to make the Emacs REPL work correctly, snippets of code I have to add here and there to create a simple project. And last time I checked, now there's this Boot tool to learn, to choose and to understand (and to debug its stacktraces) instead of Leiningein -- ARGH. I grok a fair share of languages but there's nothing like Clojure, ClojureScript and Javascript to make me feel like an _idiot_. I don't like that feeling. For the love of $DEITY, language designers, learn from Go: they have an up-to-date spec, an up-to-date "Effective $LANG" document and one (1) simple, official and maintained build tool. Otherwise you're just, as we'd say in Italy, brushing dolls.

sveri 10y ago
Please have a look at this video: https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri/videos/wrnL1-clojure-closp-webframework-41 https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri/videos/wrnL1-clojure-closp-w... I made it to show how easy it is to get started with clj / cljs web development. It uses closp, which covers everyhting from configuration to front / backend work, migration, tests, selenium tests, template generation and so on. Also have a look at the intro: http://closp.net/pages/closp-intro/ http://closp.net/pages/closp-intro/ which shows how you can get started with 5 commands in the console (given you have leiningen / jdk installed, which would be two more steps, if not). There is also the possibility to run lein uberjar from the project and get a standalone jar with webserver and compiled clojurescript generated. Then there is luminus which is somewhat similar and provides much of the same featureset and has a great documentation: http://luminusweb.net http://luminusweb.net Regarding boot I agree with you, its confusing to have two build tools. It adds some features that leiningen does not provide and for which there was a need. That said, the number one build tool is still leiningen. Stacktraces are aweful, agreed too, there is no satisfying solution to it that I know. Well, Go, does it have generics? :D

sveri 10y ago

Please have a look at this video: https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri/videos/wrnL1-clojure-closp-webframework-41 https://www.livecoding.tv/sveri/videos/wrnL1-clojure-closp-w... I made it to show how easy it is to get started with clj / cljs web development. It uses closp, which covers everyhting from configuration to front / backend work, migration, tests, selenium tests, template generation and so on. Also have a look at the intro: http://closp.net/pages/closp-intro/ http://closp.net/pages/closp-intro/ which shows how you can get started with 5 commands in the console (given you have leiningen / jdk installed, which would be two more steps, if not). There is also the possibility to run lein uberjar from the project and get a standalone jar with webserver and compiled clojurescript generated. Then there is luminus which is somewhat similar and provides much of the same featureset and has a great documentation: http://luminusweb.net http://luminusweb.net Regarding boot I agree with you, its confusing to have two build tools. It adds some features that leiningen does not provide and for which there was a need. That said, the number one build tool is still leiningen. Stacktraces are aweful, agreed too, there is no satisfying solution to it that I know. Well, Go, does it have generics? :D