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What seems to be the issue here? If you can get a machine to do something that a human can do then you give that human the opportunity to place his focus, time

What seems to be the issue here? If you can get a machine to do something that a human can do then you give that human the opportunity to place his focus, time and attention elsewhere.

dragonwriter 10y ago
> If you can get a machine to do something that a human can do then you give that human the opportunity to place his focus, time and attention elsewhere. Assuming the human was rational, what they were doing was already the thing that provided them the greatest utility of the options they had -- if putting their focus, time, and attention elsewhere was more beneficial to them, they already would have been doing it. If you remove that option, unless there is some better new option created for that same human -- rather than merely displacing them from their best option -- then they experience a net utility loss.
Hydraulix989 10y ago
The issue is that the only jobs that seem to be vanishing through such "opportunities" (what a weasel word) are all unskilled labor (easiest to automate). Sure, doing work in the car instead of driving home in California freeway traffic for an hour a day is an opportunity, except that's not the problem here... Most people that work unskilled labor jobs today aren't qualified to work alternative skilled jobs. A large class of unemployed (and unemployable) workers is a nightmare situation and is detrimental in any economy.
- spdegabrielle 10y ago
  There is dignity in work.
- LoSboccacc 10y ago
  eh, if people are so much against basic income, get those unskilled hands fixing the country infrastructure. I guess any country has plenty of fixing to do anyway. most importantly, stop producing unskilled workers. automation isn't going to go away.
  - Hydraulix989 10y ago
    "most importantly, stop producing unskilled workers. automation isn't going to go away." Now, we're talking about improving the education system, which has its own fair share of problems. There are solutions, but none of them are easy to implement. Or maybe this (fact that some humans cannot write code, etc. for a job) is a consequence of the bell curve or the human condition itself?
Hydraulix989 10y ago
Moreover, the article is touting that "Uber and Lyft Are Adding Jobs, Not Just Stealing Them" without mentioning this VERY important caveat that makes such a headline quite an inaccurate statement.
a13n 10y ago
There's no issue whatsoever, just there's no point in saying "Lyft and Uber are creating jobs".

What seems to be the issue here? If you can get a machine to do something that a human can do then you give that human the opportunity to place his focus, time and attention elsewhere.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> If you can get a machine to do something that a human can do then you give that human the opportunity to place his focus, time and attention elsewhere. Assuming the human was rational, what they were doing was already the thing that provided them the greatest utility of the options they had -- if putting their focus, time, and attention elsewhere was more beneficial to them, they already would have been doing it. If you remove that option, unless there is some better new option created for that same human -- rather than merely displacing them from their best option -- then they experience a net utility loss.

Hydraulix989 10y ago

The issue is that the only jobs that seem to be vanishing through such "opportunities" (what a weasel word) are all unskilled labor (easiest to automate). Sure, doing work in the car instead of driving home in California freeway traffic for an hour a day is an opportunity, except that's not the problem here... Most people that work unskilled labor jobs today aren't qualified to work alternative skilled jobs. A large class of unemployed (and unemployable) workers is a nightmare situation and is detrimental in any economy.

spdegabrielle 10y ago
There is dignity in work.
LoSboccacc 10y ago
eh, if people are so much against basic income, get those unskilled hands fixing the country infrastructure. I guess any country has plenty of fixing to do anyway. most importantly, stop producing unskilled workers. automation isn't going to go away.
- Hydraulix989 10y ago
  "most importantly, stop producing unskilled workers. automation isn't going to go away." Now, we're talking about improving the education system, which has its own fair share of problems. There are solutions, but none of them are easy to implement. Or maybe this (fact that some humans cannot write code, etc. for a job) is a consequence of the bell curve or the human condition itself?

Hydraulix989 10y ago

Moreover, the article is touting that "Uber and Lyft Are Adding Jobs, Not Just Stealing Them" without mentioning this VERY important caveat that makes such a headline quite an inaccurate statement.

a13n 10y ago

There's no issue whatsoever, just there's no point in saying "Lyft and Uber are creating jobs".