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Everyone is talking about this but no one is saying it: how much are your services worth in general? Would you share? Anyone is welcome to answer, not just Tact

Everyone is talking about this but no one is saying it: how much are your services worth in general? Would you share? Anyone is welcome to answer, not just Tactic. I'm just curious. I'll go first. I know developers that make 70 a year and some that make 120. It does depend where you live of course, but for me personally I need 90K minimum or I won't consider any gig, anywhere. If I can't get that, I go into subsistence living, doing odd jobs or finding a gig at McDonalds. But I won't lower my standards for dev services. While 90 is a minimum, 95-110 is what I want. Depending on the role. If I were more senior, I'd want 120+.

Tactic 10y ago
Myself I'm worth about $120k given my experience, the market I'm in and what is standard for benefits in my area. (Minneapolis/St. Paul) And I have had no issue with that. The key to me on top of that is that I am satisfied with that salary. It is not one that would make me look elsewhere with any urgency. Yes, I could try to negotiate more, but I feel no need to and believe that if I got more the company would be paying over market value and eventually realize and act upon that. It sounds to me like you would be comfortable making around $100k and that if the market bears that for your services that is what you should demand. If the market doesn't support that for you, look at raising skills/experience until it does. The odd thing is how much more you make by switching jobs versus a salary raise at companies. I am typically offered a 3%-5% raise but have typically increased my pay by 10%-20% by looking elsewhere. Companies really should assess the market more often.
- bitwalker 10y ago
  Just to add another datapoint, I'm also in MSP, and I'd say ~120k is where I'd value myself as well, though I ended up taking less than that for my current gig because I wanted to work with Erlang (amongst other things), and it was an opportunity to do so. I'd +1 everything you said.
- BuckRogers 10y ago
  You're probably more senior than me, I figured 120 is about what a senior level employee would be worth. Generally speaking of course. Big difference for example, between expert Python dev and expert C++ dev writing display drivers or graphics engines. I don't know exactly what I'm "worth" so that's why I like to ask around. I base what I'm worth off more the going-rate than I do me being a touch below or touch above the average employee. I'm not confident enough to demand 120 yet, but 120-180 is what I'd ask once I'm dominating interviews and able to pretty much make everyone else look like a fool. I've found the same things on all your points. If anyone else wants to add in more salary datapoints please do so. Don't be ashamed of lower salaries, I have friends who work for 70K a year as C# devs and know full well they can make more. They choose to stay because they're comfortable. That's worth a lot too. I make 90K now, but I work from home and am very comfortable. I know I can get 100K if I switch jobs and start going into an office again. It's not but may once I find the right place to land.
  - 15155 10y ago
    Location plays a very large part in this matter. If you got more specific and said "Django expert" or could sell yourself as such, I would think $140-160k base or more in SF would be totally achievable. But again, it's very difficult to discuss productivity and skill levels in generalities. It's also very difficult to discuss the variations in market wages across cities: Southern California in my experience punches even higher than the Bay Area. Adjusting for actual cost of living and taxes, actual take-home pay in Washington and Colorado often greatly exceeds the Bay Area.
    - BuckRogers 10y ago
      My market is probably more middle of the road for major economic areas, Chicago and Austin. Django is actually what I'm working towards specializing in.
  - tdfx 10y ago
    I make $125 cash comp as a manager. Full stack engineers under me typically make $100-120, more dependent on negotiating skills than experience. Fully remote work environment.
Bahamut 10y ago
I've turned down $350k for frontend work before around the Valley (2.5 years of experience at the time) - I have a unique master-level specialty in Angular.js (contributor, major involvement in the open source community including maintainer status in 2 of the 3 most used third party libraries in the ecosystem). I've not seen anywhere close to that number since (I opted for a $160k position in an industry I like, expanded experience, and the ability to work even as low as 30 hours a week should I choose to), but it has given me supreme confidence to turn down offers that don't have a minimum compensation along with my desired benefits/perks.

Tactic 10y ago

Myself I'm worth about $120k given my experience, the market I'm in and what is standard for benefits in my area. (Minneapolis/St. Paul) And I have had no issue with that. The key to me on top of that is that I am satisfied with that salary. It is not one that would make me look elsewhere with any urgency. Yes, I could try to negotiate more, but I feel no need to and believe that if I got more the company would be paying over market value and eventually realize and act upon that. It sounds to me like you would be comfortable making around $100k and that if the market bears that for your services that is what you should demand. If the market doesn't support that for you, look at raising skills/experience until it does. The odd thing is how much more you make by switching jobs versus a salary raise at companies. I am typically offered a 3%-5% raise but have typically increased my pay by 10%-20% by looking elsewhere. Companies really should assess the market more often.

bitwalker 10y ago
Just to add another datapoint, I'm also in MSP, and I'd say ~120k is where I'd value myself as well, though I ended up taking less than that for my current gig because I wanted to work with Erlang (amongst other things), and it was an opportunity to do so. I'd +1 everything you said.
BuckRogers 10y ago
You're probably more senior than me, I figured 120 is about what a senior level employee would be worth. Generally speaking of course. Big difference for example, between expert Python dev and expert C++ dev writing display drivers or graphics engines. I don't know exactly what I'm "worth" so that's why I like to ask around. I base what I'm worth off more the going-rate than I do me being a touch below or touch above the average employee. I'm not confident enough to demand 120 yet, but 120-180 is what I'd ask once I'm dominating interviews and able to pretty much make everyone else look like a fool. I've found the same things on all your points. If anyone else wants to add in more salary datapoints please do so. Don't be ashamed of lower salaries, I have friends who work for 70K a year as C# devs and know full well they can make more. They choose to stay because they're comfortable. That's worth a lot too. I make 90K now, but I work from home and am very comfortable. I know I can get 100K if I switch jobs and start going into an office again. It's not but may once I find the right place to land.
- 15155 10y ago
  Location plays a very large part in this matter. If you got more specific and said "Django expert" or could sell yourself as such, I would think $140-160k base or more in SF would be totally achievable. But again, it's very difficult to discuss productivity and skill levels in generalities. It's also very difficult to discuss the variations in market wages across cities: Southern California in my experience punches even higher than the Bay Area. Adjusting for actual cost of living and taxes, actual take-home pay in Washington and Colorado often greatly exceeds the Bay Area.
  - BuckRogers 10y ago
    My market is probably more middle of the road for major economic areas, Chicago and Austin. Django is actually what I'm working towards specializing in.
- tdfx 10y ago
  I make $125 cash comp as a manager. Full stack engineers under me typically make $100-120, more dependent on negotiating skills than experience. Fully remote work environment.

Bahamut 10y ago

I've turned down $350k for frontend work before around the Valley (2.5 years of experience at the time) - I have a unique master-level specialty in Angular.js (contributor, major involvement in the open source community including maintainer status in 2 of the 3 most used third party libraries in the ecosystem). I've not seen anywhere close to that number since (I opted for a $160k position in an industry I like, expanded experience, and the ability to work even as low as 30 hours a week should I choose to), but it has given me supreme confidence to turn down offers that don't have a minimum compensation along with my desired benefits/perks.