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Meredith Patterson's pulling no punches: https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802983173922817 https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802983173922817

gshulegaard 10y ago
Digging through some history regarding her plagiarism accusation, all this twitter ranting does is make me think less and less of Meredith: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 To quote from one of the gmain.org e-mail responses from Gregory Maxwell: --- BEGIN --- On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Meredith L. Patterson <clonearmy <at> gmail.com> wrote: > would prefer to see it dealt > with right here where you brought it up by failing to properly credit > Nadim's work. When Nadim posted, I responded off-list because I believe this drama has no place for otr-dev. I responded to him with my email records showing that the document existing in April 2013— long prior to the history reflected on the wikipage (which appears to indicate that Nadim is the sole author of the text), and the commentary from my email records indicated that at the time I believed Jake to be a joint author of the document. The MP-OTR spec (being discussed, not the document you linked to) provides no attribution to anyone except Nadim, although I was certain that this wasn't the case. In response Nadim confirmed my understanding. Apparently the true history of the document was lost when it was moved from git into the cryptocat wiki at some point, similarly to how Jake's fork doesn't include the history from the current cryptocat wiki (which includes a relatively modest amount of changes on the original document). Nadim further went on to claim "[Jake's] contributions to this document were done with him being part of the Cryptocat team at the WSJ hack-a-thon and thus this document belongs to the Cryptocat Project.". This theory of ownership may explain Nadim's failure to acknoweldge Jake's authorship— but it is not a sound theory, legally or ethically as I'm sure you would agree. My own view is: * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * The reputation attacks are unjustified and unfortunate. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * By failing to at all acknowledge Jake's joint authorship of the document in his public accusation of plagiarism Nadim misrepresented the situation. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * Now that everyone is convinced everyone else is acting in bad faith the simple polite off-list resolution of this drama which should have been used is now not working. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * This is all over a rather insignificant incomplete protocol specification for a protocol that was really designed by none of the people involved in this discussion. Who is the author of those couple hundred lines of prose is not very important... what is important is that someone get around to finishing it and implementing it. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list In spite of this being foolish drama which has no place on this list, I now feel ethically obligated to comment in order to speak out in defense of Jake and to point out the factual inaccuracies which appear to have inspired your comments. As a penance for my contribution to this mess by responding in public I will be donating to one of the tor server hosting projects. I beg everyone to just add a bunch of attributions to all the copies of the document (which would be easier if the original history weren't apparently lost) and move on with life. ---END--- Edit: Really, the more I think about it the more this infuriates me. It's essentially slander by a person who apparently just dislikes Jacob...made even more infuriating by the fact she is bringing up the plagiarism accusations again and misrepresenting the whole ordeal again. Rape is a serious thing, but I am not going to take anything she says at face value.
- TillE 10y ago
  This tweet in particular is just jaw-droppingly stupid: "Tor had the chance to nip this in the bud back when Jake was just a plagiarist. They ignored it, and he graduated to sexual assault." https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802325565755392 https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802325565755392 I'm all for believing accusers as a default position, but where the fuck is the actual accusation? It's all vague and secondhand.
  - gshulegaard 10y ago
    Not to mention that it turns out he actually wasn't a plagiarist and there was a misunderstanding on both sides. Also throughout the ordeal Jacob seemed to handle it reasonably. Edit: I didn't think my parent comment was inflammatory, but it's been flagged...so just to provide context for this follow-up, here are two sources to consider: # Meredith's and Jacobs previous interaction regarding her referred to plagiarism incident https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 # Public email thread on otr-dev about the event in question http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546
    - malandrew 10y ago
      That email thread is worth a read. There were some serious misunderstandings and petty drama in there and it's hard to take any unsubstantiated accusations seriously after reading that.
    - atzpawn 10y ago
      I just recall the mobbing of Jake against Asher Wolf that made her freak out...
  - vidoc 10y ago
    slightly OT but clicking at all those twitter threads, and not being a twitter user myself, I'm having an extremely hard time understanding how the conversation(s) flow. What a terrible interface !

gshulegaard 10y ago

Digging through some history regarding her plagiarism accusation, all this twitter ranting does is make me think less and less of Meredith: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 To quote from one of the gmain.org e-mail responses from Gregory Maxwell: --- BEGIN --- On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Meredith L. Patterson <clonearmy <at> gmail.com> wrote: > would prefer to see it dealt > with right here where you brought it up by failing to properly credit > Nadim's work. When Nadim posted, I responded off-list because I believe this drama has no place for otr-dev. I responded to him with my email records showing that the document existing in April 2013— long prior to the history reflected on the wikipage (which appears to indicate that Nadim is the sole author of the text), and the commentary from my email records indicated that at the time I believed Jake to be a joint author of the document. The MP-OTR spec (being discussed, not the document you linked to) provides no attribution to anyone except Nadim, although I was certain that this wasn't the case. In response Nadim confirmed my understanding. Apparently the true history of the document was lost when it was moved from git into the cryptocat wiki at some point, similarly to how Jake's fork doesn't include the history from the current cryptocat wiki (which includes a relatively modest amount of changes on the original document). Nadim further went on to claim "[Jake's] contributions to this document were done with him being part of the Cryptocat team at the WSJ hack-a-thon and thus this document belongs to the Cryptocat Project.". This theory of ownership may explain Nadim's failure to acknoweldge Jake's authorship— but it is not a sound theory, legally or ethically as I'm sure you would agree. My own view is: * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * The reputation attacks are unjustified and unfortunate. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * By failing to at all acknowledge Jake's joint authorship of the document in his public accusation of plagiarism Nadim misrepresented the situation. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * Now that everyone is convinced everyone else is acting in bad faith the simple polite off-list resolution of this drama which should have been used is now not working. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list * This is all over a rather insignificant incomplete protocol specification for a protocol that was really designed by none of the people involved in this discussion. Who is the author of those couple hundred lines of prose is not very important... what is important is that someone get around to finishing it and implementing it. * This is foolish drama which has no place on this list In spite of this being foolish drama which has no place on this list, I now feel ethically obligated to comment in order to speak out in defense of Jake and to point out the factual inaccuracies which appear to have inspired your comments. As a penance for my contribution to this mess by responding in public I will be donating to one of the tor server hosting projects. I beg everyone to just add a bunch of attributions to all the copies of the document (which would be easier if the original history weren't apparently lost) and move on with life. ---END--- Edit: Really, the more I think about it the more this infuriates me. It's essentially slander by a person who apparently just dislikes Jacob...made even more infuriating by the fact she is bringing up the plagiarism accusations again and misrepresenting the whole ordeal again. Rape is a serious thing, but I am not going to take anything she says at face value.

TillE 10y ago
This tweet in particular is just jaw-droppingly stupid: "Tor had the chance to nip this in the bud back when Jake was just a plagiarist. They ignored it, and he graduated to sexual assault." https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802325565755392 https://twitter.com/maradydd/status/738802325565755392 I'm all for believing accusers as a default position, but where the fuck is the actual accusation? It's all vague and secondhand.
- gshulegaard 10y ago
  Not to mention that it turns out he actually wasn't a plagiarist and there was a misunderstanding on both sides. Also throughout the ordeal Jacob seemed to handle it reasonably. Edit: I didn't think my parent comment was inflammatory, but it's been flagged...so just to provide context for this follow-up, here are two sources to consider: # Meredith's and Jacobs previous interaction regarding her referred to plagiarism incident https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 https://twitter.com/ioerror/status/302261054497509376 # Public email thread on otr-dev about the event in question http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.otr.devel/1546
  - malandrew 10y ago
    That email thread is worth a read. There were some serious misunderstandings and petty drama in there and it's hard to take any unsubstantiated accusations seriously after reading that.
  - atzpawn 10y ago
    I just recall the mobbing of Jake against Asher Wolf that made her freak out...
- vidoc 10y ago
  slightly OT but clicking at all those twitter threads, and not being a twitter user myself, I'm having an extremely hard time understanding how the conversation(s) flow. What a terrible interface !