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Notice that the author writes: > Way to put all of the responsibility back on the people reporting the harassment. This is the key point. Notice that the six

by keyanp 10y ago

Notice that the author writes: > Way to put all of the responsibility back on the people reporting the harassment. This is the key point. Notice that the six bullets above are all demanding preventative measures from the victim. We do not need to provide victims with > advice that targets the world as it actually is but instead we need to provide all members of the community advice that targets how they can (and should) be preventing transgressions against others.

JoeAltmaier 10y ago
Its not either - or. We can do all of the above.
powera 10y ago
Telling people "not to blame the victim" is a completely useless way to avoid harassment. I couldn't possibly actively do that to avoid harassment if I tried, because it's not even an action. Unless I'm mistaken, you're literally saying that people who are harassed should just wait for the harasser to do something else.
uremog 10y ago
If you live in a high crime area, you secure your house even if you have to put bars on your windows. Then you can campaign for a safer neighborhood. It's not a requirement, or a demand, or blaming the victim, it's just sensible to protect the self first, then make the environment better.
doktrin 10y ago
> We do not need to provide victims with advice that "targets the world as it actually is" Unless I'm completely misunderstanding you, this is nothing short of delusional. We absolutely need to provide victims - and potential victims - with the tools to handle (or avoid) unpleasant and dangerous situations. > but instead we need to provide all members of the community advice that targets how they can (and should) be preventing transgressions against others. As others have mentioned, these aren't mutually exclusive options. Social norms can - and have - changed for the better, but it's more than a little ridiculous to expect victims to wait a generation or two in the hope that society will become more self aware. What's so evil about advice that is intended to improve their quality of life now?

by keyanp 10y ago

JoeAltmaier 10y ago

Its not either - or. We can do all of the above.

powera 10y ago

Telling people "not to blame the victim" is a completely useless way to avoid harassment. I couldn't possibly actively do that to avoid harassment if I tried, because it's not even an action. Unless I'm mistaken, you're literally saying that people who are harassed should just wait for the harasser to do something else.

uremog 10y ago

If you live in a high crime area, you secure your house even if you have to put bars on your windows. Then you can campaign for a safer neighborhood. It's not a requirement, or a demand, or blaming the victim, it's just sensible to protect the self first, then make the environment better.

doktrin 10y ago

> We do not need to provide victims with advice that "targets the world as it actually is" Unless I'm completely misunderstanding you, this is nothing short of delusional. We absolutely need to provide victims - and potential victims - with the tools to handle (or avoid) unpleasant and dangerous situations. > but instead we need to provide all members of the community advice that targets how they can (and should) be preventing transgressions against others. As others have mentioned, these aren't mutually exclusive options. Social norms can - and have - changed for the better, but it's more than a little ridiculous to expect victims to wait a generation or two in the hope that society will become more self aware. What's so evil about advice that is intended to improve their quality of life now?