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Well, it looks like we can advance science without pretending killing human beings is ok, after all.

by paxcoder 10y ago

ceejayoz 10y ago
No one was ever performing abortions to obtain stem cells.
- paxcoder 10y ago
  What I referred to is the death of a human early in its development (blastocyst) resulting from the steps necessary to derive embryonic stem cells (as opposed to those necessary for adult stem cell derivation like here and elsewhere)
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    You mean the leftover blastocysts that are otherwise disposed as medical waste after IVF treatments? I think I'd prefer they use them for medical treatments instead of fuel for an incinerator.
  - xenadu02 10y ago
    blastocysts aren't human beings so your post makes no sense.
    - paxcoder 10y ago
      As I understand, the blastocyst is a state of a human being in the early stage of its development, having in turn developed from the morula, and the zygote (the first cell). If you want to argue semantics of the words or the phrase, we can do that. If you want me to use a dictionary to justify my use of the words "human" and/or "being", I'll do that. If you want textbook (medical) definitions, you can have it right away at https://goo.gl/ZFDcbg https://goo.gl/ZFDcbg. And if you'd like more scientific literature backing, consult https://goo.gl/zXpbAu https://goo.gl/zXpbAu. If you are willing to cede that the nomenclature fits, but would like to now rank human beings by worth in relation to stage of development, I would like to provide arguments for why you shouldn't do that. Finally, if you have reconsidered everything, I would invite you to the Way, the Truth and the Life, as scary as that might sound. Peace be with you and yours.
dang 10y ago
This comment and others you've posted break the HN guidelines. Please (re-)read them, and post civilly and substantively (or not at all) from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html
- paxcoder 10y ago
  Please specify which ones and exactly how.
  - ceejayoz 10y ago
    Rules lawyering with the moderator isn't likely to work that well.
    - Natsu 10y ago
      They have a pretty short comment history and no (visible) prior warnings (I was curious, so I looked). From the outside, the request is not unreasonable given the statement about "[t]his comment and others you've posted".
  - dang 10y ago
    HN's rules don't work that way, partly because formalizing them would merely turn them into a long list with an infinite number of loopholes to be exploited, and partly because we'd die of boredom if we tried. Users here are simply expected to live by the spirit of the law—civility and substantiveness—when commenting here. Snarky one-liners that characterize a (vague) opposing view as "killing human beings" fail the "civil and substantive" test. Plus there's outright rudeness in comments such as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11663455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11663455 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651181, which has no place here.
    - paxcoder 10y ago
      I always substantiate any of my one-liners. In this particular case see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836930 . Few things are more deserving of "snarky" treatment. The other two (chronologically disordered) examples are a product of my indignation with an obstinate person who wasted people's time and, brazenly ignoring their arguments as well as my own, continued arguing FUD. Bottom point: I am not malicious and I contribute. So I'd appreciate if the trigger was not pulled on me even though it's probably the only way to get one's comments removed from here :-/

Well, it looks like we can advance science without pretending killing human beings is ok, after all.

ceejayoz 10y ago

No one was ever performing abortions to obtain stem cells.

paxcoder 10y ago
What I referred to is the death of a human early in its development (blastocyst) resulting from the steps necessary to derive embryonic stem cells (as opposed to those necessary for adult stem cell derivation like here and elsewhere)
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  You mean the leftover blastocysts that are otherwise disposed as medical waste after IVF treatments? I think I'd prefer they use them for medical treatments instead of fuel for an incinerator.
- xenadu02 10y ago
  blastocysts aren't human beings so your post makes no sense.
  - paxcoder 10y ago
    As I understand, the blastocyst is a state of a human being in the early stage of its development, having in turn developed from the morula, and the zygote (the first cell). If you want to argue semantics of the words or the phrase, we can do that. If you want me to use a dictionary to justify my use of the words "human" and/or "being", I'll do that. If you want textbook (medical) definitions, you can have it right away at https://goo.gl/ZFDcbg https://goo.gl/ZFDcbg. And if you'd like more scientific literature backing, consult https://goo.gl/zXpbAu https://goo.gl/zXpbAu. If you are willing to cede that the nomenclature fits, but would like to now rank human beings by worth in relation to stage of development, I would like to provide arguments for why you shouldn't do that. Finally, if you have reconsidered everything, I would invite you to the Way, the Truth and the Life, as scary as that might sound. Peace be with you and yours.

dang 10y ago

This comment and others you've posted break the HN guidelines. Please (re-)read them, and post civilly and substantively (or not at all) from now on. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

paxcoder 10y ago
Please specify which ones and exactly how.
- ceejayoz 10y ago
  Rules lawyering with the moderator isn't likely to work that well.
  - Natsu 10y ago
    They have a pretty short comment history and no (visible) prior warnings (I was curious, so I looked). From the outside, the request is not unreasonable given the statement about "[t]his comment and others you've posted".
- dang 10y ago
  HN's rules don't work that way, partly because formalizing them would merely turn them into a long list with an infinite number of loopholes to be exploited, and partly because we'd die of boredom if we tried. Users here are simply expected to live by the spirit of the law—civility and substantiveness—when commenting here. Snarky one-liners that characterize a (vague) opposing view as "killing human beings" fail the "civil and substantive" test. Plus there's outright rudeness in comments such as https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11663455 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11663455 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651181 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11651181, which has no place here.
  - paxcoder 10y ago
    I always substantiate any of my one-liners. In this particular case see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11836930 . Few things are more deserving of "snarky" treatment. The other two (chronologically disordered) examples are a product of my indignation with an obstinate person who wasted people's time and, brazenly ignoring their arguments as well as my own, continued arguing FUD. Bottom point: I am not malicious and I contribute. So I'd appreciate if the trigger was not pulled on me even though it's probably the only way to get one's comments removed from here :-/