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> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mai

> The biggest features we are working on are sync and mail Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? I used Vivaldi a little bit ago during the beta/1.0 period for a few months—at that time at least, the UX needed more polish and there were bugs and usability issues that were daily pain points. So I find this it concerning that they're building a mail client. They already have a browser and I already have a mail client. Why take developers off of working on the browser to provide me with a new mail client? It gives me the impression that this is fundamental to their strategy for building their browser UX—constant integration. What does this say about the future of Vivaldi development? I think I'd rather have a flexible UI that works for whatever I'm doing—NOT a bunch of integrations to various workflow points, some of which I really want and others I couldn't care for. As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like.

oblio 10y ago
The first stage for them is rebuilding Opera 12. They're still be missing the IRC and torrent clients :)
notalaser 10y ago
There are those of us who prefer having a well-integrated "Internet suite" (web browser, mail client), a la what Mozilla used to provide prior to the Firefox - Thunderbird split, or what Opera used to provide prior to being turned into a Chrome clone. > As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like. I... uh, I'm not sure, or at least I hope that's not what they mean by building a mail client. Not having to use a shitty web-based interface is about 75% of why I'm using a mail client.
- oblio 10y ago
  The whole browser is a "web-based interface". Vivaldi is built using HTML/JS.
  - notalaser 10y ago
    Yes, but at least passing interface events doesn't require issuing a HTTP request to some server located halfway across the globe, and it gets at least some of the native metaphors right. It still looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole (not to mention slower than a drunk tortoise), but it's a little better than a web page thing.
castell 10y ago
It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb IMAP support, runs on my PC and stores all emails on disk. What's disappointing is that many email clients still have no conversation view (or a broken one like Outlook), just a "sent" and "inbox" folder, and this in 2016.
- dzek69 10y ago
  there is a lot of mail client, tbh, you just not know them. Mailbird is a popular example you've skipped. for my desires - all of them sucks anyway, not providing basic features that are needed and bloating the client with thing almost-nobody-need
  - Scottn1 10y ago
    Another is The Bat!. I've personally been using this email client for PC for 10 years now. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/ https://www.ritlabs.com/en/ It has extremely powerful filtering, multiple inboxes for all my accounts (I prefer to deal with them separately rather than the unified inbox trend), IMAP and recently redone outlook.com/Exchange pipeline, can encrypt local store, and it's very customizable (can have it do threading/conversation for example). Reminds me of the old Opera in this regard. The UI is a bit dated imo as it has stayed true to it's same look the whole time I've used it and skipping the modern trend of Outlook-like email client looks, but this to me is part of it's appeal. Once you get used to it.
  - ymse 10y ago
    That's pretty much the tagline of mutt[0]. > All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. I've become really fond of notmuch[1]. It's basically a mail database and library with really fast search, tags, and native support for threads. Numerous front-ends exists[2]; I use the bundled emacs client, but have wanted to try out nevermore[3] (it did not work well with Evil last I checked). 0: http://www.mutt.org/ http://www.mutt.org/ 1: https://notmuchmail.org/ https://notmuchmail.org/ 2: https://notmuchmail.org/frontends/ https://notmuchmail.org/frontends/ 3: https://github.com/tjim/nevermore https://github.com/tjim/nevermore
jve 10y ago
Simple: "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski
- tdkl 10y ago
  Mail sounds like a dream compared to each app integrating a messaging silo nowadays.
vetler 10y ago
> Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Because Jon von Tetzchner (founder of Opera and Vivaldi) thinks having it in the browser is superior to having it as a separate app. It used to be like this in Opera as well. His goal is to provide an application with more value than just the stripped down browsers you see these days.
- jccalhoun 10y ago
  this really is the reason. He wants to remake Opera and is pretty clear about that. I never used Opera's email client so I don't really care but I know there are a lot of people who do.
- colemickens 10y ago
  >stripped down browsers you see these days. You mean, "browsers".
pingec 10y ago
I love Opera Mail but now that Opera is in Chinese hands I don't feel comfortable using it anymore. If Vivaldi does the mailer right, I will welcome it with open hands.
Mithaldu 10y ago
> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Quite simple: They want to have an email client with features that are currently not offered by any other email client. I may of course be ignorant, but beyond being integrated within the browser, can you tell me of an email client that uses mutually inclusive folders that automatically sort email into themselves based on the same bayesian patterns that work for spam, and can be taught simply by dragging things in/out?
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ChuckMcM 10y ago
> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Because the folks at Slack haven't put a browser into their chat client yet?

oblio 10y ago

The first stage for them is rebuilding Opera 12. They're still be missing the IRC and torrent clients :)

notalaser 10y ago

There are those of us who prefer having a well-integrated "Internet suite" (web browser, mail client), a la what Mozilla used to provide prior to the Firefox - Thunderbird split, or what Opera used to provide prior to being turned into a Chrome clone. > As if you did not already have the ability to put a mail client on your sidebar in Vivaldi. Using web panels, you can pin the email provider of your choice to an icon and open it in a sidebar at any point you like. I... uh, I'm not sure, or at least I hope that's not what they mean by building a mail client. Not having to use a shitty web-based interface is about 75% of why I'm using a mail client.

oblio 10y ago
The whole browser is a "web-based interface". Vivaldi is built using HTML/JS.
- notalaser 10y ago
  Yes, but at least passing interface events doesn't require issuing a HTTP request to some server located halfway across the globe, and it gets at least some of the native metaphors right. It still looks and feels like a square peg in a round hole (not to mention slower than a drunk tortoise), but it's a little better than a web page thing.

castell 10y ago

It's awesome that they implement an email client. (hopefully open source) Opera Mail and Thunderbird were good free email clients, but now discontinued. What options are there (PC)? Outlook, Windows 10 Mail, Windows Live Mail/Outlook Express, Thunderbird, IBM Notes, OSX Mail. Ideally, I would like an email client that is as powerful as Outlook, has the UI of Google mail (especially the conversation view), has superb IMAP support, runs on my PC and stores all emails on disk. What's disappointing is that many email clients still have no conversation view (or a broken one like Outlook), just a "sent" and "inbox" folder, and this in 2016.

dzek69 10y ago
there is a lot of mail client, tbh, you just not know them. Mailbird is a popular example you've skipped. for my desires - all of them sucks anyway, not providing basic features that are needed and bloating the client with thing almost-nobody-need
- Scottn1 10y ago
  Another is The Bat!. I've personally been using this email client for PC for 10 years now. https://www.ritlabs.com/en/ https://www.ritlabs.com/en/ It has extremely powerful filtering, multiple inboxes for all my accounts (I prefer to deal with them separately rather than the unified inbox trend), IMAP and recently redone outlook.com/Exchange pipeline, can encrypt local store, and it's very customizable (can have it do threading/conversation for example). Reminds me of the old Opera in this regard. The UI is a bit dated imo as it has stayed true to it's same look the whole time I've used it and skipping the modern trend of Outlook-like email client looks, but this to me is part of it's appeal. Once you get used to it.
- ymse 10y ago
  That's pretty much the tagline of mutt[0]. > All mail clients suck. This one just sucks less. I've become really fond of notmuch[1]. It's basically a mail database and library with really fast search, tags, and native support for threads. Numerous front-ends exists[2]; I use the bundled emacs client, but have wanted to try out nevermore[3] (it did not work well with Evil last I checked). 0: http://www.mutt.org/ http://www.mutt.org/ 1: https://notmuchmail.org/ https://notmuchmail.org/ 2: https://notmuchmail.org/frontends/ https://notmuchmail.org/frontends/ 3: https://github.com/tjim/nevermore https://github.com/tjim/nevermore

jve 10y ago

Simple: "Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski

tdkl 10y ago
Mail sounds like a dream compared to each app integrating a messaging silo nowadays.

vetler 10y ago

> Okay, I have to question this. Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Because Jon von Tetzchner (founder of Opera and Vivaldi) thinks having it in the browser is superior to having it as a separate app. It used to be like this in Opera as well. His goal is to provide an application with more value than just the stripped down browsers you see these days.

jccalhoun 10y ago
this really is the reason. He wants to remake Opera and is pretty clear about that. I never used Opera's email client so I don't really care but I know there are a lot of people who do.
colemickens 10y ago
>stripped down browsers you see these days. You mean, "browsers".

pingec 10y ago

I love Opera Mail but now that Opera is in Chinese hands I don't feel comfortable using it anymore. If Vivaldi does the mailer right, I will welcome it with open hands.

Mithaldu 10y ago

> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Quite simple: They want to have an email client with features that are currently not offered by any other email client. I may of course be ignorant, but beyond being integrated within the browser, can you tell me of an email client that uses mutually inclusive folders that automatically sort email into themselves based on the same bayesian patterns that work for spam, and can be taught simply by dragging things in/out?

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ChuckMcM 10y ago

> Why is a browser vendor spending precious time and money adding a mailbox to their browser? Because the folks at Slack haven't put a browser into their chat client yet?