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Keyboards have been popping out automatic C-maj, A-min, F-maj, G-maj progressions for fourty years now. And with the typical toolset for electronic music, it wi
by julianpye 10y ago
Keyboards have been popping out automatic C-maj, A-min, F-maj, G-maj progressions for fourty years now. And with the typical toolset for electronic music, it will be easily capable to create something similar.
But the masterpieces of music demand something altogether different. Beethoven's break with consistency by switching keys in the adagio of the 5th piano concerto. Wagner introducing the Tristan chord, Berg using C-major only as a joke in Lulu, when the word money is mentioned.
Add to that ingenuity the personal drama behind music. Bach's crisis of faith leading to 'What God does is well done' to Mahler losing so many of his children that he composed the Kindertotenlieder ("Songs on the Death of Children") to the origins of a simple pop song such as 'Tears in heaven' that moves people tremendously... Music is shaped by our biological life cycle, not by that of a computer program.
- anilgulecha 10y agoNot to take away from your point, but none of the above stop an AI from replicating that behavior. It's just a matter of the state-of-the-art catching up.
- hellofunk 10y agoCatching up to past innovations is a different matter from actually innovating fresh ideas. Personally I think AI is so far away from doing anything on a human-like scale that none of us will ever be alive (or our grandchildren) to be fooled by such advances.
- reqctomaniac 10y agoThats a very narrow definition. Music is sound we interpret. There is no reason why computers cannot "compose" meaningful to us music. Of course it will probably be by happenchance, but nonetheless. Also computers are good at finding patterns. There is definitely a chance they (I should write "it" but cant reformulate so it sounds good) can find patterns interesting to us.
- aclissold 10y agoRegarding Kindertotenlieder, he didn't actually lose any children until after he wrote it. Quoth Wikipedia [0]: “I placed myself in the situation that a child of mine had died. When I really lost my daughter, I could not have written these songs any more.” [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindertotenlieder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kindertotenlieder
- davedx 10y agoWow, those poems are wrenching, even in translated form. They really are an open door to somebody's personal grief.
- eru 10y agoHave a look at the Todesfuge: eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwLqEHDCQE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVwLqEHDCQE or http://www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-deutsch.html http://www.celan-projekt.de/todesfuge-deutsch.html and http://poemsintranslation.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/paul-celan-death-fugue-from-german.html http://poemsintranslation.blogspot.com.au/2010/01/paul-celan... (the translation doesn't seem nearly as wrenching as the German to me, though). Der Tod ist ein Meister aus Deutschland.
- julianpye 10y agoThanks. Turns out I was taught me something completely wrong about Mahler! I just spoke to my parents (who were responsible for much of my musical education) and told them this, too. It seems they knew it from their parents, too.
- hellofunk 10y ago>Mahler losing so many of his children I think he lost 1 child, not many. And it was a few years after finishing Kindertotenlieder.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI think algorithms are perfectly capable of generating music we'll consider creative an beautiful - the trick is, you can't tell people it was done by a computer! Look at the examples you've provided. They gain additional meaning because of the context information you've given. When dealing with art, people like to wonder, what the author thought? How did they feel? People try to connect. With machines, they know there is no human to connect to on the other side, so the work will be considered inferior.