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There's a difference between free speech and harassment. It's perfectly legal to use the echo in a Tweet. What's not legal (or at least isn't allowed on most so

There's a difference between free speech and harassment. It's perfectly legal to use the echo in a Tweet. What's not legal (or at least isn't allowed on most social media platforms) is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. For example, it's legal to say/tweet "Bob Smith is a little bitch" It's not legal to send Bob Smith 50 messages telling him he's a little bitch and threatening to murder his family

orik 10y ago
> What's not... allowed... is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. Wouldn't the layman interpret all 'echo's as a call to action? Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties?
- yoshuaw 10y ago
  > Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties Inciting violence against a person makes you responsible for the violence that follows; let's not pretend this is something different - it's not.
  - JimLaheyMD 10y ago
    Internet messages are violence now?
    - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
      s/violence/harassment/
    - nbm 10y ago
      Intimidation, threat of harm, and incitement are generally illegal whether they're on the Internet, in a letter, or delivered in person.
    - DanBC 10y ago
      You might want to re-read your dictionary. Violence has included non-physical force for very many years, very much longer than the Internet has been in existence. http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/definitions.html http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/definiti... > Interpersonal violence is defined as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against another person or against a group or community that results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16 > The term “crime of violence” means— > (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or Threats of violence are by definition violence.
      - michaelbuddy 10y ago
        Threats that might seem credible are a far cry from saying bad things about someone, to them or to someone else.
        DanBC 10y ago
        You don't seem to understand that threats of violence are what we're talking about. Do you really not understand that saying you're going to rape someone is a threat of violence? The article says: > Other Jewish writers have faced more serious attacks: death threats, anti-Semitic cartoons, images of concentration camp ovens and executed Jews, threatening emails, even home phone calls. > Michael received [...] Trolls threatened him: "'When the time comes, the Jews are going to be in trouble, lined up,'" Michael recalls. "That kind of tone. Random shit by people thinking it's funny Jews were being targeted."
        michaelbuddy 10y ago
        you've certainly mentioned some strong examples. However, it's not the same as real violence. think of these two statements, jokes whatever you want to call it. "what do you call a hundred thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start" A joke we've all heard. Now, same joke 'What do you call a hundred thousand Jews at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. Now which one is hate speech? Both? None? Should history be the only basis for whether jokes are permitted or not? What about who delivers it and why? I'm not asking you to really answer me here, but it's worth thinking about. And I think platforms banning language simply will get it wrong. Human mods will get it wrong, computer mods will get it wrong. Again, I'm going to go to the platforms where speech is allowed because of the nuance of humor, of conversation. And especially where personal experience is valid even when it appears biased or hateful.
    - yoshuaw 10y ago
      Threatening a person, and marking them as the target for a mob harms someone. Harming people is violence
marcoperaza 10y ago
Harassment is not a crime in the US, because of the first amendment. Sending threatening messages to Bob Smith is a crime, called intimidation in most states. Edit: It's quite amusing to be downvoted for stating facts.

orik 10y ago

> What's not... allowed... is using the echo to call people to harass and threat a specific person. Wouldn't the layman interpret all 'echo's as a call to action? Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties?

yoshuaw 10y ago
> Do you hold one user accountable for drawing attention to a user who is now receiving messages from third parties Inciting violence against a person makes you responsible for the violence that follows; let's not pretend this is something different - it's not.
- JimLaheyMD 10y ago
  Internet messages are violence now?
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    s/violence/harassment/
  - nbm 10y ago
    Intimidation, threat of harm, and incitement are generally illegal whether they're on the Internet, in a letter, or delivered in person.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    You might want to re-read your dictionary. Violence has included non-physical force for very many years, very much longer than the Internet has been in existence. http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/definitions.html http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/youthviolence/definiti... > Interpersonal violence is defined as "the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against another person or against a group or community that results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation." https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/16 > The term “crime of violence” means— > (a) an offense that has as an element the use, attempted use, or threatened use of physical force against the person or property of another, or Threats of violence are by definition violence.
    - michaelbuddy 10y ago
      Threats that might seem credible are a far cry from saying bad things about someone, to them or to someone else.
      - DanBC 10y ago
        You don't seem to understand that threats of violence are what we're talking about. Do you really not understand that saying you're going to rape someone is a threat of violence? The article says: > Other Jewish writers have faced more serious attacks: death threats, anti-Semitic cartoons, images of concentration camp ovens and executed Jews, threatening emails, even home phone calls. > Michael received [...] Trolls threatened him: "'When the time comes, the Jews are going to be in trouble, lined up,'" Michael recalls. "That kind of tone. Random shit by people thinking it's funny Jews were being targeted."
        michaelbuddy 10y ago
        you've certainly mentioned some strong examples. However, it's not the same as real violence. think of these two statements, jokes whatever you want to call it. "what do you call a hundred thousand lawyers at the bottom of the ocean? A good start" A joke we've all heard. Now, same joke 'What do you call a hundred thousand Jews at the bottom of the ocean? A good start. Now which one is hate speech? Both? None? Should history be the only basis for whether jokes are permitted or not? What about who delivers it and why? I'm not asking you to really answer me here, but it's worth thinking about. And I think platforms banning language simply will get it wrong. Human mods will get it wrong, computer mods will get it wrong. Again, I'm going to go to the platforms where speech is allowed because of the nuance of humor, of conversation. And especially where personal experience is valid even when it appears biased or hateful.
  - yoshuaw 10y ago
    Threatening a person, and marking them as the target for a mob harms someone. Harming people is violence

marcoperaza 10y ago

Harassment is not a crime in the US, because of the first amendment. Sending threatening messages to Bob Smith is a crime, called intimidation in most states. Edit: It's quite amusing to be downvoted for stating facts.