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A Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online
- unlinker 10y agoSecret? I don't think it's secret anymore. I follow lots of white nationalists and I have seen it for months already. This one was particularly funny, although I don't know if it's fake or not. https://i.imgur.com/A6aJYs7.png https://i.imgur.com/A6aJYs7.png What's also funny is how the article insists on ((())) being designed and engineered by evil masterminds to be unsearchable, when it's just incidental.
- mevile 10y ago> I follow lots of white nationalists Why?
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- alexisnorman 10y agoI like that he deleted his comment that said "I am a white nationalist".
- unlinker 10y agoI did, because people here can get pretty salty and I didn't want to "bite the bait", but yes, now that you insist, I am one, and I am not ashamed of it.
- untog 10y ago"people here can get pretty salty when I admit I am a white nationalist" is probably the most positive thing I've heard anyone say about HN in years.
- unlinker 10y agoI call it the San Francisco bubble. Fortunately, it's just a bubble. ;P
- untog 10y agoWeird, I call it "the civilised world bubble". But yeah, I know, silent majority and all that, right? There are dozens of you. Dozens!
- AnimalMuppet 10y agoI'm not in San Francisco, not in California, not part of the startup scene, and I'm white, but yet I am proud to be part of that "bubble". But I agree with untog, it's the civilized world bubble. It's the white nationalists that are part of a (shrinking) bubble. TL;DR: The country is not with you, unlinker. Even the whites aren't with you.
- mevile 10y agoWhy are you a white nationalist? Do you think badly of people who aren't white or that such people should be treated differently? If so why?
- yarou 10y agoI'm neither white nor a white nationalist, but the way I understand it is that white nationalism seeks to preserve an arbitrary trait known as "whiteness". In other words, they feel that the white "race" as a whole is being genocided because of race mixing. Some feel that there is an international conspiracy of Jews orchestrating this white genocide. If you try to disagree with them, they will reply that you are either a shill or "JIDF" which stands for "Jewish Internet Defense Force". It's not a very homogenous group though, so I try not to generalize them and keep an open mind. Empirically, I will say that there are studies showing working class (blue collar) white youths are worse off economically than black youths, which could explain the rise of this political philosophy.
- xyience 10y agoAs I understand it it's not even purely race mixing that's a problem but race replacing. I wish every white nationalist would get their DNA sampled so they can see how pure they really are, even just among white people! But anyway broadly-white-peoples are breeding below replacement rates while broadly-(Africans|Mexicans|Arab|Turkish) ethnic groups are not. As a refugee/immigrant to Germany laid it out at some protest, Germany will become a majority-Muslim ethnically-Arab country within some number of decades just from sheer population growth of one group over the other, and what will remain will not be Germany even if it still calls itself such. A white nationalist then is just a person who doesn't want this to happen to their white country. Of course there are the more insane white nationalists who see Jews everywhere and so on, but nationalism is a spectrum you know? Japan for instance remains pretty xenophobic but they can maintain that without also being outright hostile towards Chinese, so the hostility towards Chinese has been going down. If this was 1916 instead of 2016 I think the basic white nationalists would have a stronger case. This isn't a CURRENT_YEAR remark, but just a remark that timescales involving even 40+ years are ridiculously difficult to predict right now because technology overwhelms classic human nature, so when the impact of these things won't be felt for that far off in the classic human history case of technology remaining the same it's not very fruitful to dwell on it in the current reality of technology changing rapidly. That isn't to say they don't have any case at all but a lot of it is too little too late. They want to move to be more like Japan when they should really be satisfied with something more like Singapore. Not importing millions of foreigners permanently would also not be a bad idea but again, a bit too little too late.
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- SwellJoe 10y agoSo, this is one of the things that's so disturbing about Trump's rise. It is causing people with repugnant, undemocratic, ideals to feel empowered to be much more open about their beliefs, and more likely to take public action in support of them. There's always been an attempt to normalize hate speech as mere difference of opinion, but now that a popular national politician has tacitly endorsed the extremist arm of the American right, things are getting frightening. Reasonable Republicans and conservatives, of which there are many in tech, should be particularly concerned about this shift.
- xyience 10y agoWhat type of white? Slavic is different from Anglo-Saxon is different from Germanic is etc., not too long ago all the various white groups in American had their own gangs and gang wars because "white" as a broad term wasn't good enough. Do you think that because of the threats of Mexican-Americans and African-Americans (do you also have any issues with the over-representation of Asians of various types in tech?) it now makes sense to band "broadly European" peoples together in reaction, or is it something else?
- untog 10y agoI... don't really see why what you attached is funny? Not because of the offensive topic but just because... there's no humour there?
- gotchange 10y agoBecause he's a white nationalist and he admitted down below and he's proud of it.
- pygy_ 10y agoNews to me. I suppose we live in different bubbles.
- n4r9 10y ago>What's also funny is how the article insists on ((())) being designed and engineered by evil masterminds to be unsearchable From the article: >Whether they know it or not, Neo-Nazis on Twitter have discovered a brilliant loophole — a code that's difficult to filter Typical white nationalist, not bothering with the details.
- rdl 10y agoI wonder if there's a way to counter/reclaim this -- put your own name in ((()))?
- alexisnorman 10y agoSeriously, are they flocking to tweets based off white nationalists they follow or are they searching for anything with "((("? Either way, I'm curious if there's a way to just make it irrelevant.
- crazypyro 10y agoSeemed to me like it was only spreading through already established circles because of the lack of ability to search for it. Racists in those circles saw someone tweet with that punctuation and just ganged on the person mentioned in the tweet, knowing they were Jewish without it being directly stated.
- asuffield 10y agoIt's clearly a hug. Has been for decades. Just start reading it that way.
- jessaustin 10y agoDo we have to be Jewish to do so? My background is Scotch-Irish hill folk, but my given name is (((Jesse))) so that should work?
- defen 10y ago"Scots-Irish" is also code for "Jewish" in some internet circles believe it or not.
- jessaustin 10y agoThe racism of unhinged racists is also unhinged? I'm shocked.
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- return0 10y agoThe only commentable thing in this blatant clickbait is that yianopoulos had his verified sign taken back (!) for non-hate speech, an act for which he has protested vehemently.
- personjerry 10y agoPlease excuse my naïveté, and I do not share the opinions of the neo-nazis, but isn't it part of free speech to able to use these symbols and to be prejudiced? Edit: My follow-up question: Why then is it Twitter's responsibility to censor such speech?
- 467568985476 10y agoWell yeah, the government can't arrest you for it. But that doesn't mean anyone has to listen to you or let you be a part of their community.
- randyrand 10y agoTrue, but I think (and this is an assumption) that most people would prefer their communications platforms - Twitter, FB messegner, Apple iMessage, etc, support free speech. What good is a communication platform if you can't communicate certain expressions on it? I agree with your overall point tho - we should let the free market determine this what communication companies ultimately do.
- fisherjeff 10y agoSure! It also happens to be free speech to write articles which highlight such examples of public prejudice for a larger audience.
- gingerrr 10y agoIt's surely free speech to write articles suggesting free speech be curtailed. It's also free speech to disagree with censorship. What's your point? (GP didn't seem to be expressing an issue with the article having been written, but with the article's suggestion that Twitter (and other media) need to do more to censor hate speech. In that context this comment is non sequitur.)
- fisherjeff 10y agoFree speech and Twitter are unrelated concepts. Twitter has no responsibility to enforce free speech and can do whatever the hell it wants, although it can be subject to user backlash.
- busterarm 10y agoA guy I went to high school with used to take a pause and say "Jewish" loudly after any Jewish name he'd read/say. Seriously. Fucking Catholic school.
- GunboatDiplomat 10y agoThat was tolerated?
- busterarm 10y agoNot by me, but yeah, barely. Let's just say a lot of kids from Far Rockaway & Breezy Point went to my high school. I'm sure he's grown up some -- I don't imagine you can last long at acting (not that he's very successful) as an anti-Semite in NY. Here's a shining example of what that area of New York has to offer and an event some of my classmates were present for: http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/outrage-racist-parade-queens-float-mocks-tex-slay-article-1.816537 http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/outrage-racist-para...
- vermontdevil 10y agoI imagined this with the voice of Wallace Shawn from Heaven Help Us for some reason.
- busterarm 10y agoDefinitely spot on pick for the inflection, but not the tone.
- genericacct 10y agoDidn't ((())) use to mean "hugs" in 90s IM slang? How sweet of them.
- CM30 10y agoSo, what would happen if say, trolls read this and started using the symbol around every random username in sight? Because that's exactly what some people are gonna do after reading articles like this, and it makes me wonder what the crossfire would inevitably look like. Wouldn't this make a really easy target for the likes of 4chan?
- javajosh 10y agoIt occurs to me that the correct "punishment" for a hate crime is to force the person to live in a loving, caring community of the hated group until one day they break down and cry and want to hug and apologize to everyone in the community. EDIT: "I'm so sorry, I've been such a schmuck," the ex-neonazi tearfully confesses as his pretty Jewish girlfriend hugs him and kisses him on the cheek.
- _audakel 10y agoas outlandish as this sounds, I could see it totally working
- Bromskloss 10y agoDoes this mean that I can use this to call upon a band of strangers to bully (or whatever it is they do) someone of my choosing?
- orik 10y agoWhen I first saw the ((( ))) meme, it was being used something along the lines of (((triggered))), and I thought it was shorthand for a trigger warning. Unfortunate to learn how it's used; I thought it was really clever at the time.
- DrScump 10y ago<Neo-Nazis, anti-Semites and white nationalists have begun using three sets of parentheses... "Hello ((Weisman))" it began after Weisman tweeted a Washington Post article...> Apparently, neither the alleged practitioners nor the media can differentiate three from two.
- mattnumbe 10y agoThis article focuses a lot on how to search twitter for the echo which probably won't help reduce harassment.
- yarou 10y agoI've actually not heard about this. It's a shame "alt-right" became synonymous with bigot, white nationalist, etc. The underlying political philosophy is sound, but for some reason the crowd it attracts are essentially losers (in a very specific economic sense).
- marcoperaza 10y agoDon't let the media get away with this. They're trying to pigeon-hole a whole movement based on a small and loud minority. You rarely see this same treatment of the left and the violent radical-left protesters that are a permanent fixture at big Western events like G8 summits, party conventions, etc. Or the massive web of leftist voices, on tumblr, Gawker, and even in columns of "respectable" papers, that constantly make terrible sweeping generalizations about men and white people.
- michaelbuddy 10y agoThe only problem after this is somebody who gets criticized then pulls the race/ethnic/religion card and suddenly we're all supposed to then set our sights on ruining the life a person being critical, for whatever reason, subjectively insulting or not. Then again who would EVER hide behind their so called protected class, play victim to hurt others. Oh wait, It only happens every day. We even see it on here. Mods have a hard job, BUT they also are subjective when it comes to who they claim is ranting off topic vs those making profound points. The founding fathers knew all of this quite well, which is why we have "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech" Private companies can do all they want to make a safe space, but then we usher in the era of the whirlpool of 'hurt feelings' == physical violence. Which really just weakens people, it robs them of their own capability. And as a result of this safe spaces are really just illusions. By trying to cleanse they actually become impure. Oh well. I'll be for whatever platform supplants the draconian ones. It will be the selling points.
- DanBC 10y ago> but then we usher in the era of the whirlpool of 'hurt feelings' == physical violence Give me your work email address and I'll send you 800 death threats, including pictures of your family and where they work / go to school, and pictures of you arriving at or leaving your workplace, and then you can talk about whether the discussion is actually about "hurt feelings = violence", or if it's actually about the profound impact on your life some pathologic arsehole can have. Since you mention US constitution: this concept -- that actions can cause harm even if they don't include physically hitting you -- has been written into US law, and has resisted first amendment challenges. > I'll be for whatever platform supplants the draconian ones. Yet you're still here, a place that (you said) is even more restrictive than twitter?
- carsongross 10y agoLisp is anti-semitic. Who knew?
- aftbit 10y agoHoly shit, I am constantly amazed that people like this know how to use computers. Can we bring the internet back to being a technocratic meritocracy with only people who share my biases and opinions, please?
- dogma1138 10y agoDo you assume that coders can't be racist? Some one makes and manages their websites heck white supremacists and other extremist groups were one of the earliest adopters of the Internet because it was a media that allowed them to speak freely. You can't say kikes and niggers on TV you can't even say it on licensed radio but on the internet you can call for all the gassing and cross burning you want.
- garrettgrimsley 10y agoIt was sarcastic.
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- masonic 10y agoBTW, does this mean that (((Jesus))) must be wrapped accordingly, too?