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I hope there are many more "surprises" in store for the luddites who refuse to install a modern operating system on their computers. This actively harmful view

by dimino 10y ago

I hope there are many more "surprises" in store for the luddites who refuse to install a modern operating system on their computers. This actively harmful view of how computer security works needs to be swiftly punished.

0x0 10y ago
What's insecure about Windows 7? It still receives security updates?
- dimino 10y ago
  This is a shortsighted way of thinking. The goal is to move beyond "releases", and to a continuously upgrading OS, like OS X.
  - detaro 10y ago
    Why is "I have a secure OS that still is supported and will be for quite a while, I'll upgrade when I replace this computer/have to reinstall the OS anyways" shortsighted?
    - dimino 10y ago
      Because the people providing support would rather not. They're the ones telling you to upgrade.
      - detaro 10y ago
        They promised to provide support and got paid for it, so they should do their job, or clearly announce that they are unable to do so.
        dimino 10y ago
        Their support is telling you to upgrade (for FREE) to Windows 10. They never said how they would offer you support. Edit: Also, I'm not entirely sure there are any support contracts for Windows by itself, I think you need to buy a contract from Microsoft for something like that.
        pritambaral 10y ago
        > They never said how they would offer you support Did they not say they'd offer "security fixes", and not "complete UI changes, deprecation of perfectly working runtimes, shoving of new runtimes". The former is support; the latter, is finalization of misleading marketing.
        dimino 10y ago
        They did not do this, no.
        pritambaral 10y ago
        So, you're saying, that when one installs Windows (not just 10, or 8, even 7) on their system, they give up full control of their system to Microsoft? To do as Microsoft pleases? In effect, you're agreeing with RMS. (I'm thankful I don't use Windows, precisely for this reason that Microsoft may do whatever they want with my hardware and my data, and without even playing fair to get my consent.)
        dimino 10y ago
        ...or there's a rational middle ground that you're completely ignoring because this is the Internet and you're trying really hard to push my argument into a corner, where you can then disregard it and continue to be a selective extremist.
  - jlgaddis 10y ago
    My MacBook Pro is still running 10.10. Although I occasionally get a notification that an upgrade to 10.11 is available, it's certainly not being forced on me.

by dimino 10y ago

0x0 10y ago

What's insecure about Windows 7? It still receives security updates?

dimino 10y ago
This is a shortsighted way of thinking. The goal is to move beyond "releases", and to a continuously upgrading OS, like OS X.
- detaro 10y ago
  Why is "I have a secure OS that still is supported and will be for quite a while, I'll upgrade when I replace this computer/have to reinstall the OS anyways" shortsighted?
  - dimino 10y ago
    Because the people providing support would rather not. They're the ones telling you to upgrade.
    - detaro 10y ago
      They promised to provide support and got paid for it, so they should do their job, or clearly announce that they are unable to do so.
      - dimino 10y ago
        Their support is telling you to upgrade (for FREE) to Windows 10. They never said how they would offer you support. Edit: Also, I'm not entirely sure there are any support contracts for Windows by itself, I think you need to buy a contract from Microsoft for something like that.
        pritambaral 10y ago
        > They never said how they would offer you support Did they not say they'd offer "security fixes", and not "complete UI changes, deprecation of perfectly working runtimes, shoving of new runtimes". The former is support; the latter, is finalization of misleading marketing.
        dimino 10y ago
        They did not do this, no.
        pritambaral 10y ago
        So, you're saying, that when one installs Windows (not just 10, or 8, even 7) on their system, they give up full control of their system to Microsoft? To do as Microsoft pleases? In effect, you're agreeing with RMS. (I'm thankful I don't use Windows, precisely for this reason that Microsoft may do whatever they want with my hardware and my data, and without even playing fair to get my consent.)
        dimino 10y ago
        ...or there's a rational middle ground that you're completely ignoring because this is the Internet and you're trying really hard to push my argument into a corner, where you can then disregard it and continue to be a selective extremist.
- jlgaddis 10y ago
  My MacBook Pro is still running 10.10. Although I occasionally get a notification that an upgrade to 10.11 is available, it's certainly not being forced on me.