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I'm arguing for equality of opportunity, not outcome. If the final split isn't 50/50, fine, as long as everyone is making free choices. The problem is that toda

I'm arguing for equality of opportunity, not outcome. If the final split isn't 50/50, fine, as long as everyone is making free choices. The problem is that today that (equality of opportunity) is not the case -- there's immense pressure for the woman to be the one to stay home, if someone does.

sandworm101 10y ago
But "free choices" is a tricky thing. Many would say that so long as 50/50 isn't reached, for whatever reason known or unknown, the choice is not free.
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- bravura 10y ago
  And some would argue that, since we can't achieve 100% perfection, we shouldn't bother trying to fix something that's broken.
tsmffh 10y ago
Equality of opportunity is a misleading term. 'Equality of process' I've found, is far better. I believe there is equality of process, but, there are immutable biological facts that result in the difference.
andrepd 10y ago
Precisely. I just want equality of opportunity, that people are free to do what they want, not necessarily that the choices are a perfect 50/50 coin toss. However, since we posit that there are no inherent biological mental differences between sexes then some people contend that if the split is not 50/50 then there is still discrimination.
- douche 10y ago
  I suppose we have to believe that male and female brains work exactly the same, don't we? It'd be nice if we could maybe admit that people work differently, without having to stack-rank it.
HarshTruth 10y ago
The immense pressure is the women's own doing. Women largely prefer to partner with men who make more money than them, so naturally if one partner becomes a stay at home parent it makes more sense economically for it to be the woman. If women don't like the pressure to be a stay at home parent, then women can start marrying men who make less money than them (men don't as a group place little value on their partner making more than them) and instead face the pressure of providing for their family.
- morgtheborg 10y ago
  As a women who would love to have my future husband raise the kids, let me tell you it's not easy to find an intelligent man in a big city who is willing to stay home and raise children.
  - tomp 10y ago
    Do you know what their reasons are? I'm really curious, because that seems the obvious choice for me (assuming your wife is earning enough).
  - Sacho 10y ago
    Of course, just like it's difficult for such a man to find a woman wanting to be the careerist in the family, because both groups are minorities.

sandworm101 10y ago

But "free choices" is a tricky thing. Many would say that so long as 50/50 isn't reached, for whatever reason known or unknown, the choice is not free.

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bravura 10y ago
And some would argue that, since we can't achieve 100% perfection, we shouldn't bother trying to fix something that's broken.

tsmffh 10y ago

Equality of opportunity is a misleading term. 'Equality of process' I've found, is far better. I believe there is equality of process, but, there are immutable biological facts that result in the difference.

andrepd 10y ago

Precisely. I just want equality of opportunity, that people are free to do what they want, not necessarily that the choices are a perfect 50/50 coin toss. However, since we posit that there are no inherent biological mental differences between sexes then some people contend that if the split is not 50/50 then there is still discrimination.

douche 10y ago
I suppose we have to believe that male and female brains work exactly the same, don't we? It'd be nice if we could maybe admit that people work differently, without having to stack-rank it.

HarshTruth 10y ago

The immense pressure is the women's own doing. Women largely prefer to partner with men who make more money than them, so naturally if one partner becomes a stay at home parent it makes more sense economically for it to be the woman. If women don't like the pressure to be a stay at home parent, then women can start marrying men who make less money than them (men don't as a group place little value on their partner making more than them) and instead face the pressure of providing for their family.

morgtheborg 10y ago
As a women who would love to have my future husband raise the kids, let me tell you it's not easy to find an intelligent man in a big city who is willing to stay home and raise children.
- tomp 10y ago
  Do you know what their reasons are? I'm really curious, because that seems the obvious choice for me (assuming your wife is earning enough).
- Sacho 10y ago
  Of course, just like it's difficult for such a man to find a woman wanting to be the careerist in the family, because both groups are minorities.