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Note that the only entities complaining about this are themselves journalists. They're just closing ranks.

by oxryly1 10y ago

sangnoir 10y ago
> Note that the only entities complaining about this are themselves journalists. They're just closing ranks It would have been hilarious if someone had similarly casually dismissed the uproar software engineers were making over Oracle v Google: Note that the only entities complaining about API copyrights are themselves developers. They're just closing ranks
- internaut 10y ago
  Would that not be true? We do have our opinions and they do stem how we do work. Therefore we have interests, received opinions and such.
  - sangnoir 10y ago
    It wouldn't be true for me (as a software engineer). I would like to believe as a person more familiar with how the sausage is made, so to speak, I am more sensitive to potential threats to the industry than the layperson. Terming my concerns as "closing ranks" is a disservice because you are dismissing them without consideration or critical thinking - it's ad-hominem-lite
    - internaut 10y ago
      I believe you, but from the outside, from the public's perspective it looks like the same thing. You've said as much yourself with your comparison. As a general heuristic, your interests are aligned with those of your community. Whether this is bad or good depends on context, usually depending on whether you've thought about the issue yourself from first principals and come to your own conclusion. Every field probably has wrongheaded ideas about something. In engineering this alignment may be mostly pragmatic e.g. what works, what doesn't, but in some industries e.g. Hollywood, the Media, anything social, there's a different sort of pragmatism where you're expected to believe in some general themes about the world that need have no basis in reality. Being up to date with these 'stories' e.g. what beliefs about transgender bathrooms a proper person should have, is basically a peacocks tail feathers. It's pointless but shows you're a member of the tribe. You're talking of informed opinion, but again, from the perspective of an outsider, this all looks like the same thing. The tribe can hang together either because it makes sense or because they punish those who are outliers.
- oxryly1 10y ago
  It just means when the party in question catastrophizes the new development, realize they might be coming from a place of self-preservation.

Note that the only entities complaining about this are themselves journalists. They're just closing ranks.

by oxryly1 10y ago

Note that the only entities complaining about this are themselves journalists. They're just closing ranks.

> Note that the only entities complaining about this are themselves journalists. They're just closing ranks It would have been hilarious if someone had similarly casually dismissed the uproar software engineers were making over Oracle v Google: Note that the only entities complaining about API copyrights are themselves developers. They're just closing ranks

internaut 10y ago
Would that not be true? We do have our opinions and they do stem how we do work. Therefore we have interests, received opinions and such.
- sangnoir 10y ago
  It wouldn't be true for me (as a software engineer). I would like to believe as a person more familiar with how the sausage is made, so to speak, I am more sensitive to potential threats to the industry than the layperson. Terming my concerns as "closing ranks" is a disservice because you are dismissing them without consideration or critical thinking - it's ad-hominem-lite
  - internaut 10y ago
    I believe you, but from the outside, from the public's perspective it looks like the same thing. You've said as much yourself with your comparison. As a general heuristic, your interests are aligned with those of your community. Whether this is bad or good depends on context, usually depending on whether you've thought about the issue yourself from first principals and come to your own conclusion. Every field probably has wrongheaded ideas about something. In engineering this alignment may be mostly pragmatic e.g. what works, what doesn't, but in some industries e.g. Hollywood, the Media, anything social, there's a different sort of pragmatism where you're expected to believe in some general themes about the world that need have no basis in reality. Being up to date with these 'stories' e.g. what beliefs about transgender bathrooms a proper person should have, is basically a peacocks tail feathers. It's pointless but shows you're a member of the tribe. You're talking of informed opinion, but again, from the perspective of an outsider, this all looks like the same thing. The tribe can hang together either because it makes sense or because they punish those who are outliers.
oxryly1 10y ago
It just means when the party in question catastrophizes the new development, realize they might be coming from a place of self-preservation.