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I guarantee they told your execs something completely different because Amazon. SOP is to tell you don't worry be happy while loading you up with blame coming

I guarantee they told your execs something completely different because Amazon. SOP is to tell you don't worry be happy while loading you up with blame coming down from your director/VP. If you quit, everything they tried to secretly pin on you now focuses on your managers so they are desperate to keep you from quitting. Once you get to OLR the next year you'll get an unpleasant surprise and probably fired. This is called burn and churn management and Amazon is a master of it.

deanCommie 10y ago
Someone needs to change teams. Sounds like you have a toxic org.
- amzn-336495 10y ago
  Changing teams is pointless. Every manager of every team at Amazon has burner employees whether anyone knows it or not. Part of being an employee is trying to determine if you are the burner. People are hired in as burner employees at Amazon. That is unless Amazon stopped doing company-wide stack ranking, which obviously it will never do since it legitimizes pass-the-buck and is so beneficial to the people making the rules.
  - khedoros 10y ago
    > That is unless Amazon stopped doing company-wide stack ranking, which obviously it will never do since it legitimizes pass-the-buck and is so beneficial to the people making the rules. I've got a friend who's a manager at the Amazon Game Studio. That part of the company at least doesn't do stack ranking in the way that it was described in the NYT article. There may be other teams (or even most of the company) that do, though. I think that teams in different locations end up developing their own internal culture, to a certain degree.
  - deanCommie 10y ago
    I know people at Amazon that are absolutely bottom performers and still don't get fired. It takes YEARS
    - amzn-336495 10y ago
      Oh...you think that stack ranking has anything to do with performance.
      - deanCommie 10y ago
        Look, we get it, you hate Amazon. Either quit, or if you are no longer there, move on.
umanwizard 10y ago
Not every team/manager at Amazon is pathologically bad. A lot are, but a lot aren't.

deanCommie 10y ago

Someone needs to change teams. Sounds like you have a toxic org.

amzn-336495 10y ago
Changing teams is pointless. Every manager of every team at Amazon has burner employees whether anyone knows it or not. Part of being an employee is trying to determine if you are the burner. People are hired in as burner employees at Amazon. That is unless Amazon stopped doing company-wide stack ranking, which obviously it will never do since it legitimizes pass-the-buck and is so beneficial to the people making the rules.
- khedoros 10y ago
  > That is unless Amazon stopped doing company-wide stack ranking, which obviously it will never do since it legitimizes pass-the-buck and is so beneficial to the people making the rules. I've got a friend who's a manager at the Amazon Game Studio. That part of the company at least doesn't do stack ranking in the way that it was described in the NYT article. There may be other teams (or even most of the company) that do, though. I think that teams in different locations end up developing their own internal culture, to a certain degree.
- deanCommie 10y ago
  I know people at Amazon that are absolutely bottom performers and still don't get fired. It takes YEARS
  - amzn-336495 10y ago
    Oh...you think that stack ranking has anything to do with performance.
    - deanCommie 10y ago
      Look, we get it, you hate Amazon. Either quit, or if you are no longer there, move on.

umanwizard 10y ago

Not every team/manager at Amazon is pathologically bad. A lot are, but a lot aren't.