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are you serious? They had to decrypt text so that your wife can read it and that is where they started displaying vodka ads. edit - I meant to say even if they

are you serious? They had to decrypt text so that your wife can read it and that is where they started displaying vodka ads. edit - I meant to say even if they had end-to-end encryption then your text would still need to be decrypted so that other user can read it.

wslh 10y ago
Facebook Messenger doesn't have end-to-end encryption, it is stored in Facebook.
- anfedorov 10y ago
  Not just stored: http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-scans-chats-and-posts-for-criminal-activity/ http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-scans-chats-and-posts-for-...
guelo 10y ago
End-to-end encryption means the server doesn't know the content of the message. Only the clients, the end-points, have the decryption key.
- lucb1e 10y ago
  And then the endpoints integrate with ad networks after they've distilled it into topics. I mean, my message contents are personal data. The topics "buy a bike" and "sell a bike" are not (I mean, not by themselves), so those you can transmit to ad companies. Now of course you need to make the detection lightweight enough that you don't need to talk to the server anymore, but that's just a matter of time. The person you're responding to, who's got downvoted, has a point (if this was his point). Edit: I sounded like I agreed with it, which is not the case. Even if it's stored "private and securely" at Facebook, they would still be able to connect my topics of interest with my identity and contacts, which would "technically" comply with the concept of end to end encryption (only metadata leaks because topics alone are metadata, which always happens because you need to route messages)... but which still doesn't comply with my own definition of proper privacy.
  - chillacy 10y ago
    I'm not so sure about that. If you were talking about subjects that might be disagreeable to people in your country, maybe it's sex toys or homosexuality, if those topics start coming up in ad networks then that's still going to be a problem.
    - lucb1e 10y ago
      Oh, shit, I made one fatal mistake writing that post: it now sounds like I agree with it. This is just how marketing would sell these features to the world (end to end encryption, and yet targeted ads), but disclosing each topic I ever discuss with a given person is still private in my opinion. I've edited my post's original text slightly, adding a bigger edit at the bottom.

wslh 10y ago

Facebook Messenger doesn't have end-to-end encryption, it is stored in Facebook.

anfedorov 10y ago
Not just stored: http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-scans-chats-and-posts-for-criminal-activity/ http://www.cnet.com/news/facebook-scans-chats-and-posts-for-...

guelo 10y ago

End-to-end encryption means the server doesn't know the content of the message. Only the clients, the end-points, have the decryption key.

lucb1e 10y ago
And then the endpoints integrate with ad networks after they've distilled it into topics. I mean, my message contents are personal data. The topics "buy a bike" and "sell a bike" are not (I mean, not by themselves), so those you can transmit to ad companies. Now of course you need to make the detection lightweight enough that you don't need to talk to the server anymore, but that's just a matter of time. The person you're responding to, who's got downvoted, has a point (if this was his point). Edit: I sounded like I agreed with it, which is not the case. Even if it's stored "private and securely" at Facebook, they would still be able to connect my topics of interest with my identity and contacts, which would "technically" comply with the concept of end to end encryption (only metadata leaks because topics alone are metadata, which always happens because you need to route messages)... but which still doesn't comply with my own definition of proper privacy.
- chillacy 10y ago
  I'm not so sure about that. If you were talking about subjects that might be disagreeable to people in your country, maybe it's sex toys or homosexuality, if those topics start coming up in ad networks then that's still going to be a problem.
  - lucb1e 10y ago
    Oh, shit, I made one fatal mistake writing that post: it now sounds like I agree with it. This is just how marketing would sell these features to the world (end to end encryption, and yet targeted ads), but disclosing each topic I ever discuss with a given person is still private in my opinion. I've edited my post's original text slightly, adding a bigger edit at the bottom.