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no (though I'm not kbenson), because your entire premise that wealth today is strictly correlate with "skilled / educated / work harder" is bullshit. Yeah, I k

no (though I'm not kbenson), because your entire premise that wealth today is strictly correlate with "skilled / educated / work harder" is bullshit. Yeah, I know some people think that we live in a meritocracy where if you have wealth, you deserve it, and there's no luck or dishonesty or cheating or inherent unfair inequalities — but it's obvious you don't come to that view by looking at the evidence, you come to that by something along the lines of reading Ayn Rand and just believing that nonsense or something similar. In reality, lots of wealth is captured by those whose action provide no positive value to the world. Lots of success involves luck. And lots of people working shitty not-so-productive jobs have the potential to be far more effective and UBI would assist that in ways other approaches do not. Anyway, even if we disagree about tons of things, you could have productive discussions with people if you didn't insist on bullshit implications like the idea that all the people in high-paid jobs are hard-working, deserving, productive folks while all low-paid people are the opposite. http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/ http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

autokad 10y ago
so your idea of a productive conversation is having someone repeat your own opinions at you. I'm sorry you don't believe your success is in your own hands. successful people create their own luck, you are pretty old to have not realized that by now.
- quadrangle 10y ago
  I LOVE learning new things by engaging with people I disagree with (and sometimes change my mind!) The way to succeed at that process is to avoid asserting nonsensical extremes. Of course there's a correlation between hard-work and success, but it's not a strict one. There are lots of cases where two people worked equally hard and intelligently and one succeeds where the other fails. That luck factor is separate from all the systematic things that put people at all sorts of different privileges already. From everything I understand about the world (from personal experience and from reading and learning from others), there's a strong correlation between success and unearned privileged that is at least arguably a stronger correlation than the one about hard work. So, the most success comes from all three factors: luck, privilege, and hard work — put together. It seems like you think even acknowledging luck and privilege is tantamount to denying the significance of hard work.

autokad 10y ago

so your idea of a productive conversation is having someone repeat your own opinions at you. I'm sorry you don't believe your success is in your own hands. successful people create their own luck, you are pretty old to have not realized that by now.

quadrangle 10y ago
I LOVE learning new things by engaging with people I disagree with (and sometimes change my mind!) The way to succeed at that process is to avoid asserting nonsensical extremes. Of course there's a correlation between hard-work and success, but it's not a strict one. There are lots of cases where two people worked equally hard and intelligently and one succeeds where the other fails. That luck factor is separate from all the systematic things that put people at all sorts of different privileges already. From everything I understand about the world (from personal experience and from reading and learning from others), there's a strong correlation between success and unearned privileged that is at least arguably a stronger correlation than the one about hard work. So, the most success comes from all three factors: luck, privilege, and hard work — put together. It seems like you think even acknowledging luck and privilege is tantamount to denying the significance of hard work.