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Can someone recommend a good IDE or editor with good IDE-like features for Rust? I think it's time for me to take the plunge and start learning a little bit ab

Can someone recommend a good IDE or editor with good IDE-like features for Rust? I think it's time for me to take the plunge and start learning a little bit about Rust. Also, I'm assuming the windows support is good these days?

frewsxcv 10y ago
Regarding your IDE question: https://areweideyet.com/ https://areweideyet.com/
- kibwen 10y ago
  And also https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html
kibwen 10y ago
Windows is a first-tier platform, and can be counted on to work since Windows is the largest platform for Firefox, and hence enormously important for Mozilla. For working with Windows APIs, see https://github.com/retep998/winapi-rs https://github.com/retep998/winapi-rs
- zxcvcxz 10y ago
  Every OS is a first tier platform for mozilla.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    Mozilla is a business. They likely prioritize where they invest effort based on where their ad revenue comes from. Doing otherwise can hurt the business. kibwen implies that most revenue is from Windows users. So, Mozilla wants the Windows experience rock solid. That they have two, serious competitors on that platform reinforces that need. Fortunately for us, they also put plenty of effort into making it work on less-popular platforms like my Linux desktop. I'm grateful even if it's lower priority. :) Note: I'd be curious what OS's most Firefox and Rust developers use.
    - dikaiosune 10y ago
      That question may be answered soon (although the survey is also targeted at people not using Rust): http://blog.rust-lang.org/2016/05/09/survey.html http://blog.rust-lang.org/2016/05/09/survey.html I think it's about to close in the next couple of days. wink wink nudge nudge
    - zxcvcxz 10y ago
      Well I've used Firefox on both Linux and Windows for years and the Linux version is better than the Windows version. More polished, faster, feels better integrated. The windows version is great too, but I believe a lot of the developers respect open source philosophy and therefore we get first class software for opensource operating systems. Chrome on the other hand sucked on Linux for a long time (but was really good when it first came out). Chrome is pretty good nowadays but still takes three minutes to start, whereas firefox just opens up. I don't use a lot of other mozilla software except rust (a little) and from what I remember they had spotty support for Windows when Rust first came out, but this is true of pretty much all new languages unless Microsoft creates it.
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        I also thought Firefox ran better on Linux a bit. I decided to test your Chrome claim on my Core Duo 2 box running Ubuntu. I just downloaded Chrome from Software Center. First run took 2-3 seconds to usable browser. Something is wrong with your PC, distro, or installation. "but I believe a lot of the developers respect open source philosophy and therefore we get first class software for opensource operating systems" That's probably true to some degree. That the least, there might be more developers on FOSS boxes testing it which spots more problems. Hypothetical as I have no data on Rust to test it with.
      - zokier 10y ago
        > Well I've used Firefox on both Linux and Windows for years and the Linux version is better than the Windows version. More polished, faster, feels better integrated Do you have any numbers on the "faster" aspect? Most comparisons I've seen put the Linux version solidly behind Windows version. As for features, for example video playback on Linux Firefox has severely lagged behind Windows version. It's not very long time ago that I needed to make some "non-recommended" about:config changes to get youtube working. Even integration-wise I think I have had more problems on Linux than on Windows, file associations, copy-paste, and misapplied themes being most notable issues that come to mind. I'm pretty sure that I've seen even Mozilla say that majority of developer effort goes to Windows first, and it shows. While you anecdotally might have had good luck, I'd claim that is atypical
ch4s3 10y ago
Emacs and Atom seem to have the most complete offerings via plugins like Racer. I'm quite happy with my Atom setup, but it is pretty far from turn key. 1.) You need to `cargo install racer` and add the bin to your path 2.) Clone the Rust source of your version of Rust, and add that to your path 3.) Install the plugin and set the paths in Atom
quadrature 10y ago
most of the popular editors have racer(autocomplete) integration. Personally I've found visual studio code to have a good mix of light weight and functional.
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dikaiosune 10y ago
I'm using Atom (on a fairly speedy machine, VS Code has some solid plugin support too) with: * atom-beautify (with rustfmt installed, `cargo install rustfmt`) * language-rust * linter + linter-rust (using cargo check, `cargo install cargo-check`) * you-complete-me (but YCM is not fun to install, so I'd recommend the racer plugin, both require the Rust source cloned and installed somewhere) Altogether, those plugins give a pretty good Rust experience.
- aji 10y ago
  +1 for racer, I use it with atom and it makes writing rust so much nicer. can't comment on the comparison with YCM, though
  - dikaiosune 10y ago
    YCM uses racerd (https://github.com/jwilm/racerd https://github.com/jwilm/racerd) which keeps everything in a daemon process's memory instead of reparsing every time. It's a good bit faster (at least on my machine), but it uses racer under the hood for recommendations.
    - aji 10y ago
      sounds interesting, I'll have to give it a shot!
- TylerE 10y ago
  Is this like anywhere even close to the functionality of something like IntelliJ? Doesn't really sound like it. Linting and formatting, and completion does not an IDE make. How much code intelligence and introspection is there?
  - dikaiosune 10y ago
    Not nearly as much as intellij. However the "linting" in this case is really just highlighting for compiler warnings and errors which are quite good in Rust. That said, you can use clippy (https://github.com/Manishearth/rust-clippy https://github.com/Manishearth/rust-clippy) to get some pretty solid static code analysis as a compiler plug in. Also, I am very closely following the progress of the rust intellij project, it's coming along nicely.
m0th87 10y ago
I've had a great time with Tokamak: https://vertexclique.github.io/tokamak/ https://vertexclique.github.io/tokamak/

frewsxcv 10y ago

Regarding your IDE question: https://areweideyet.com/ https://areweideyet.com/

kibwen 10y ago
And also https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html https://www.rust-lang.org/ides.html

kibwen 10y ago

Windows is a first-tier platform, and can be counted on to work since Windows is the largest platform for Firefox, and hence enormously important for Mozilla. For working with Windows APIs, see https://github.com/retep998/winapi-rs https://github.com/retep998/winapi-rs

zxcvcxz 10y ago
Every OS is a first tier platform for mozilla.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  Mozilla is a business. They likely prioritize where they invest effort based on where their ad revenue comes from. Doing otherwise can hurt the business. kibwen implies that most revenue is from Windows users. So, Mozilla wants the Windows experience rock solid. That they have two, serious competitors on that platform reinforces that need. Fortunately for us, they also put plenty of effort into making it work on less-popular platforms like my Linux desktop. I'm grateful even if it's lower priority. :) Note: I'd be curious what OS's most Firefox and Rust developers use.
  - dikaiosune 10y ago
    That question may be answered soon (although the survey is also targeted at people not using Rust): http://blog.rust-lang.org/2016/05/09/survey.html http://blog.rust-lang.org/2016/05/09/survey.html I think it's about to close in the next couple of days. wink wink nudge nudge
  - zxcvcxz 10y ago
    Well I've used Firefox on both Linux and Windows for years and the Linux version is better than the Windows version. More polished, faster, feels better integrated. The windows version is great too, but I believe a lot of the developers respect open source philosophy and therefore we get first class software for opensource operating systems. Chrome on the other hand sucked on Linux for a long time (but was really good when it first came out). Chrome is pretty good nowadays but still takes three minutes to start, whereas firefox just opens up. I don't use a lot of other mozilla software except rust (a little) and from what I remember they had spotty support for Windows when Rust first came out, but this is true of pretty much all new languages unless Microsoft creates it.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      I also thought Firefox ran better on Linux a bit. I decided to test your Chrome claim on my Core Duo 2 box running Ubuntu. I just downloaded Chrome from Software Center. First run took 2-3 seconds to usable browser. Something is wrong with your PC, distro, or installation. "but I believe a lot of the developers respect open source philosophy and therefore we get first class software for opensource operating systems" That's probably true to some degree. That the least, there might be more developers on FOSS boxes testing it which spots more problems. Hypothetical as I have no data on Rust to test it with.
    - zokier 10y ago
      > Well I've used Firefox on both Linux and Windows for years and the Linux version is better than the Windows version. More polished, faster, feels better integrated Do you have any numbers on the "faster" aspect? Most comparisons I've seen put the Linux version solidly behind Windows version. As for features, for example video playback on Linux Firefox has severely lagged behind Windows version. It's not very long time ago that I needed to make some "non-recommended" about:config changes to get youtube working. Even integration-wise I think I have had more problems on Linux than on Windows, file associations, copy-paste, and misapplied themes being most notable issues that come to mind. I'm pretty sure that I've seen even Mozilla say that majority of developer effort goes to Windows first, and it shows. While you anecdotally might have had good luck, I'd claim that is atypical

ch4s3 10y ago

Emacs and Atom seem to have the most complete offerings via plugins like Racer. I'm quite happy with my Atom setup, but it is pretty far from turn key. 1.) You need to `cargo install racer` and add the bin to your path 2.) Clone the Rust source of your version of Rust, and add that to your path 3.) Install the plugin and set the paths in Atom

quadrature 10y ago

most of the popular editors have racer(autocomplete) integration. Personally I've found visual studio code to have a good mix of light weight and functional.

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dikaiosune 10y ago

I'm using Atom (on a fairly speedy machine, VS Code has some solid plugin support too) with: * atom-beautify (with rustfmt installed, `cargo install rustfmt`) * language-rust * linter + linter-rust (using cargo check, `cargo install cargo-check`) * you-complete-me (but YCM is not fun to install, so I'd recommend the racer plugin, both require the Rust source cloned and installed somewhere) Altogether, those plugins give a pretty good Rust experience.

aji 10y ago
+1 for racer, I use it with atom and it makes writing rust so much nicer. can't comment on the comparison with YCM, though
- dikaiosune 10y ago
  YCM uses racerd (https://github.com/jwilm/racerd https://github.com/jwilm/racerd) which keeps everything in a daemon process's memory instead of reparsing every time. It's a good bit faster (at least on my machine), but it uses racer under the hood for recommendations.
  - aji 10y ago
    sounds interesting, I'll have to give it a shot!
TylerE 10y ago
Is this like anywhere even close to the functionality of something like IntelliJ? Doesn't really sound like it. Linting and formatting, and completion does not an IDE make. How much code intelligence and introspection is there?
- dikaiosune 10y ago
  Not nearly as much as intellij. However the "linting" in this case is really just highlighting for compiler warnings and errors which are quite good in Rust. That said, you can use clippy (https://github.com/Manishearth/rust-clippy https://github.com/Manishearth/rust-clippy) to get some pretty solid static code analysis as a compiler plug in. Also, I am very closely following the progress of the rust intellij project, it's coming along nicely.

m0th87 10y ago

I've had a great time with Tokamak: https://vertexclique.github.io/tokamak/ https://vertexclique.github.io/tokamak/