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I think it's really sad to change jobs without a period of a few months doing nothing in between.

by zupatol 17y ago

SandB0x 17y ago
Not everyone can afford that luxury.
- jasonkester 17y ago
  Sure they can. By definition, if you have a job, it is paying you money. Anybody can choose to save some of that money every month with the intention of taking a good long vacation in the future. It doesn't matter how little you make, you can always adjust your lifestyle to allow for savings. So while it's entirely possible that you can't afford that luxury right this minute, that's entirely something you've chosen for yourself. And the interesting part is that you can do something about it. With a few basic changes to your life today, you can afford to take 3 months off next year.
  - happenstance 17y ago
    No, not anybody can. What if you have a family and are barely making ends meet as it is? It's very difficult to convince a wife that you'd like for the family to spend a little less so you can have a few months off next year between jobs.
    - jasonkester 17y ago
      Assuming you have a job in IT, how does one get to the point where he's only making ends meet, even with a family in the mix? Assuming a low-end IT salary, you're still bringing in 5k+/month. Minus $2000 for tax, zero for your 10 year old cheap car, $1000 for rent, and another $500 for food, that leaves $1500 for conspicuous consumption or savings. If you've chosen to use up that excess by upgrading apartments, leasing a car, buying a flatscreen on the Visa card, etc., that's what is eating up your ability to save money. There's no reason to be living month to month on $60k+ a year. Unless that's what you've chosen to do.
      - starkfist 17y ago
        You're missing a lot of stuff like gas, parking, car insurance, phone bills, internet connection, electricity, heat, water, diapers, kid insurance, kid clothes, kid medicine, kid entertainment (toys, books, etc), babysitter, day care, etc, etc. Your food budget is assuming the family is living on beans and rice.
        jasonkester 17y ago
        Indeed. Budget it out however you like, but if you can exactly make ends meet each month, chances are you can make ends meet and have one dollar left over to save. Look a bit harder and you might find $50 left. Start thinking that way, and keep at it for a while and suddenly you'll find you're not living month-to-month anymore.
        watmough 17y ago
        Here's a recipe for living on one 'median' income: * Pay your cars off. * Get down to < $300 / month on food. * Stop eating out except on special occasions. * Turn the thermostat up / down in summer / winter. * Cap mortgage or rent at $1000 / month. * Live close to work * Stop buying lots of crap you don't need. * Build some savings The key thing is, if you can manage on one income, a LOT of expenditure just melts away. Day care, gas for commuting to two jobs, much easier to eat at home, etc. etc.
        happenstance 17y ago
        Those things would be easy if it's just you. However, imposing those policies on the wife is another matter. It just devolves into fighting over money all the time.
        yummyfajitas 17y ago
        Day care? The wife either works or she doesn't. In the latter case, day care is unnecessary. In the former case, you've got enough extra money for day care. As for food, I eat far better than beans and rice, and I probably only spend about $150/month (ignoring restaurants). I'm a 100kg man who eats a lot. $500/month is easily plausible for a family which does not have large teenage children. (This of course assumes a non-working wife to prepare food from scratch, but again, if the wife works, more money to play with.)
    - Devilboy 17y ago
      Some people earn 30k a year and some earn 50k per year. Yet we're all equally broke at the end of the year.
    - marshallp 17y ago
      Time to change wife then, if your woman is a money grabbing, careless shopaholic freak, get her therapy or fire her.
      - happenstance 17y ago
        One data point you are missing: if you fire the incompetent wife, in the USA by default she gets the kids too. Guess what kind of life they will have with just her raising them.
  - rue 17y ago
    > Anybody can choose to save some of that money every month with the intention of taking a good long vacation in the future. Hopefully this was some lapsus related to the assumed readership of this particular site, in which case it could be somewhat closer to the truth. But it sure as hell is not feasible for everyone. Count yourself very, very lucky.
    - jackowayed 17y ago
      Yeah, obviously if you're near or below the poverty line, it's a little different. I'd assume he was assuming people were programmers or the like. And really, if you can't afford to take 3 months off, you also can't afford to be unemployed for every long (unless you have an outstanding severance package promised to you), which is bad for your financial stability. First of all, you may just not be able to find a job, and even if you can, it's possible that the ability to hold out for another month could have gotten you a much better job. I'm just 17, but I can't imagine being in a longterm situation where I'm saving very little if I'm making a programmer's salary. Stability is a much more important "luxury" than eating out, nice stuff, cable TV, etc in my book.
      - rue 17y ago
        Expenses will always grow to meet income, if you are not careful. Hold on to your healthy principle - but remember to enjoy yourself occasionally too!

I think it's really sad to change jobs without a period of a few months doing nothing in between.

by zupatol 17y ago

I think it's really sad to change jobs without a period of a few months doing nothing in between.

SandB0x 17y ago

Not everyone can afford that luxury.

jasonkester 17y ago
Sure they can. By definition, if you have a job, it is paying you money. Anybody can choose to save some of that money every month with the intention of taking a good long vacation in the future. It doesn't matter how little you make, you can always adjust your lifestyle to allow for savings. So while it's entirely possible that you can't afford that luxury right this minute, that's entirely something you've chosen for yourself. And the interesting part is that you can do something about it. With a few basic changes to your life today, you can afford to take 3 months off next year.
- happenstance 17y ago
  No, not anybody can. What if you have a family and are barely making ends meet as it is? It's very difficult to convince a wife that you'd like for the family to spend a little less so you can have a few months off next year between jobs.
  - jasonkester 17y ago
    Assuming you have a job in IT, how does one get to the point where he's only making ends meet, even with a family in the mix? Assuming a low-end IT salary, you're still bringing in 5k+/month. Minus $2000 for tax, zero for your 10 year old cheap car, $1000 for rent, and another $500 for food, that leaves $1500 for conspicuous consumption or savings. If you've chosen to use up that excess by upgrading apartments, leasing a car, buying a flatscreen on the Visa card, etc., that's what is eating up your ability to save money. There's no reason to be living month to month on $60k+ a year. Unless that's what you've chosen to do.
    - starkfist 17y ago
      You're missing a lot of stuff like gas, parking, car insurance, phone bills, internet connection, electricity, heat, water, diapers, kid insurance, kid clothes, kid medicine, kid entertainment (toys, books, etc), babysitter, day care, etc, etc. Your food budget is assuming the family is living on beans and rice.
      - jasonkester 17y ago
        Indeed. Budget it out however you like, but if you can exactly make ends meet each month, chances are you can make ends meet and have one dollar left over to save. Look a bit harder and you might find $50 left. Start thinking that way, and keep at it for a while and suddenly you'll find you're not living month-to-month anymore.
        watmough 17y ago
        Here's a recipe for living on one 'median' income: * Pay your cars off. * Get down to < $300 / month on food. * Stop eating out except on special occasions. * Turn the thermostat up / down in summer / winter. * Cap mortgage or rent at $1000 / month. * Live close to work * Stop buying lots of crap you don't need. * Build some savings The key thing is, if you can manage on one income, a LOT of expenditure just melts away. Day care, gas for commuting to two jobs, much easier to eat at home, etc. etc.
        happenstance 17y ago
        Those things would be easy if it's just you. However, imposing those policies on the wife is another matter. It just devolves into fighting over money all the time.
      - yummyfajitas 17y ago
        Day care? The wife either works or she doesn't. In the latter case, day care is unnecessary. In the former case, you've got enough extra money for day care. As for food, I eat far better than beans and rice, and I probably only spend about $150/month (ignoring restaurants). I'm a 100kg man who eats a lot. $500/month is easily plausible for a family which does not have large teenage children. (This of course assumes a non-working wife to prepare food from scratch, but again, if the wife works, more money to play with.)
  - Devilboy 17y ago
    Some people earn 30k a year and some earn 50k per year. Yet we're all equally broke at the end of the year.
  - marshallp 17y ago
    Time to change wife then, if your woman is a money grabbing, careless shopaholic freak, get her therapy or fire her.
    - happenstance 17y ago
      One data point you are missing: if you fire the incompetent wife, in the USA by default she gets the kids too. Guess what kind of life they will have with just her raising them.
- rue 17y ago
  > Anybody can choose to save some of that money every month with the intention of taking a good long vacation in the future. Hopefully this was some lapsus related to the assumed readership of this particular site, in which case it could be somewhat closer to the truth. But it sure as hell is not feasible for everyone. Count yourself very, very lucky.
  - jackowayed 17y ago
    Yeah, obviously if you're near or below the poverty line, it's a little different. I'd assume he was assuming people were programmers or the like. And really, if you can't afford to take 3 months off, you also can't afford to be unemployed for every long (unless you have an outstanding severance package promised to you), which is bad for your financial stability. First of all, you may just not be able to find a job, and even if you can, it's possible that the ability to hold out for another month could have gotten you a much better job. I'm just 17, but I can't imagine being in a longterm situation where I'm saving very little if I'm making a programmer's salary. Stability is a much more important "luxury" than eating out, nice stuff, cable TV, etc in my book.
    - rue 17y ago
      Expenses will always grow to meet income, if you are not careful. Hold on to your healthy principle - but remember to enjoy yourself occasionally too!