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Funny you should mention that one - it happens to be something I regularly forward to people who like to snicker at bad uses of graphics. One guy I sent it to

Funny you should mention that one - it happens to be something I regularly forward to people who like to snicker at bad uses of graphics. One guy I sent it to couldn't stop laughing for an hour.

Alex3917 19y ago
What don't you like about it? It's obviously not something you'd put on a powerpoint slide, but given enough time to sit down and think about it I think it's quite insightful.
- Tichy 19y ago
  To me it seems kind of "fake" (I can't seem to find the right word in english - "Augenwischerei" in german) "kitsch" might be another word? The quality and fanciness of the graphics makes you believe that something is there, when probably there really isn't. At least, it looks rather complicated, and really good graphics should not make the thing they want to explain look complicated. Since you mention that it actually provides insights after prolonged meditation, I wonder if it would be acceptable as a Mandala, though.
  - Alex3917 19y ago
    Only if you study the p3df.
- bayareaguy 19y ago
  It has all the bad qualities of a powerpoint presentation - lots of chartjunk and a very low data/ink ratio. Abstract pictures like these are a kind of IQ trap because the author never explains what many of the lines actually represent. Smart readers may find some way to make sense of them but it's unlikely that any two readers will be able to come up with compatible definitions that lead to useful analysis. I think if Marshall Clemens expressed those 5 web pages as 5 paragraphs, you would see that he's either not really saying much or is saying something that has plenty of counterexamples that aren't apparent in the pretty picture. For example, it's kind of ironic that I find none of the diagrams live up to the claims he makes about his Visual Models™ here http://www.idiagram.com/CP/visualmodels.html http://www.idiagram.com/CP/visualmodels.html

Funny you should mention that one - it happens to be something I regularly forward to people who like to snicker at bad uses of graphics. One guy I sent it to couldn't stop laughing for an hour.

Alex3917 19y ago

What don't you like about it? It's obviously not something you'd put on a powerpoint slide, but given enough time to sit down and think about it I think it's quite insightful.

Tichy 19y ago
To me it seems kind of "fake" (I can't seem to find the right word in english - "Augenwischerei" in german) "kitsch" might be another word? The quality and fanciness of the graphics makes you believe that something is there, when probably there really isn't. At least, it looks rather complicated, and really good graphics should not make the thing they want to explain look complicated. Since you mention that it actually provides insights after prolonged meditation, I wonder if it would be acceptable as a Mandala, though.
- Alex3917 19y ago
  Only if you study the p3df.
bayareaguy 19y ago
It has all the bad qualities of a powerpoint presentation - lots of chartjunk and a very low data/ink ratio. Abstract pictures like these are a kind of IQ trap because the author never explains what many of the lines actually represent. Smart readers may find some way to make sense of them but it's unlikely that any two readers will be able to come up with compatible definitions that lead to useful analysis. I think if Marshall Clemens expressed those 5 web pages as 5 paragraphs, you would see that he's either not really saying much or is saying something that has plenty of counterexamples that aren't apparent in the pretty picture. For example, it's kind of ironic that I find none of the diagrams live up to the claims he makes about his Visual Models™ here http://www.idiagram.com/CP/visualmodels.html http://www.idiagram.com/CP/visualmodels.html