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There was an article about a week ago that makes the claim that Rails is tailor-made for Basecamp. This single comment absolutely confirms that point of view:

There was an article about a week ago that makes the claim that Rails is tailor-made for Basecamp. This single comment absolutely confirms that point of view: https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/25208#issuecomment-222980490 https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/25208#issuecomment-222...

statictype 10y ago
Do you have a link to the article?
- stephenr 10y ago
  http://www.akitaonrails.com/2016/05/23/rails-has-won-the-elephant-in-the-room http://www.akitaonrails.com/2016/05/23/rails-has-won-the-ele... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11757993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11757993
rajahafify 10y ago
Sure, DHH said it himself. Rails is for basecamp like apps. Whats the deal?
- stephenr 10y ago
  But is it "for Basecamp like apps". Or is it "for the Basecamp app"? I honestly can't believe a back end framework has minimum supported browser requirements that are basically "use the latest or GTFO".
  - jacobsenscott 10y ago
    It is for "most web apps" because most web apps are like basecamp, and it isn't "use the latest or GTFO". It is "use the latest by default or add a single line to your gem file if you want to support older browsers." Most web apps are only tested on the latest browsers anyway, even if they claim to support older browsers. This is true unless you have a very popular app and a very large team.
    - stephenr 10y ago
      > Most web apps are only tested on the latest browsers anyway I've worked in web/related fields for about 10 years now, and I've never worked on a project where "fuck it, the latest will do" has been acceptable.
      - scruple 10y ago
        Yeah, same here. This comment thread is bizarre. I've been writing web apps that serve an industry where users don't install their software but their IT department does on their behalf: hospitals, but schools and government agencies are very similar, as well. Many of these apps are required to support back to IE8. For better or worse, that is the world some of these apps must live in.
    - zeemonkee3 10y ago
      > This is true unless you have a very popular app and a very large team. Or you have very important and lucrative clients in government, healthcare, or some other crusty large organization with horribly dated browsers they're not going to replace any time soon. That quickly makes you throw away the latest React-* solution and reach for jQuery, however much you rage inside.
      - gaastonsr 10y ago
        Which is not true. Most frameworks have good support for legacy browsers. And when some library fails in an old browser is always something so small that I end up making a PR and getting it fixed the same day.
  - mhw 10y ago
    It doesn't. jquery-ujs will still be there if you want it, but depending on jquery brings along a lot of baggage along with the legacy browser support it allows. This discussion is just about what the default should be, and I don't think its unreasonable these days to aim for modern browsers as a default for most sites.
bronson 10y ago
Lots of websites have those browser requirements. Many of them aren't written in Rails. Care to explain your "absolutely confirms" logic?
- stephenr 10y ago
  Lots of websites require a browser that was released in the last 2 1/2 years? I think you're seeing the web through SV tinted glasses.
  - bronson 10y ago
    Sure, since all major browsers auto-update now. This has been a thing for years. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn531055.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn531055.aspx http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/which-browsers-are-officially-supported-and-what-else-do-i-need http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/which-browsers... https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/33864?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/33864?hl=en http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200306330 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2... (notable exceoption for IE8, would love to know the reason) etc.
gaastonsr 10y ago
Rails is a joke and @dhh is only making it worse. I'm disgusted by his choices. A lot of good devs are moving away from it for several reasons. For me, it was the amount of magic involved in everything. I'm just glad I gave up and moved onto other things.

statictype 10y ago

Do you have a link to the article?

stephenr 10y ago
http://www.akitaonrails.com/2016/05/23/rails-has-won-the-elephant-in-the-room http://www.akitaonrails.com/2016/05/23/rails-has-won-the-ele... HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11757993 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11757993

rajahafify 10y ago

Sure, DHH said it himself. Rails is for basecamp like apps. Whats the deal?

stephenr 10y ago
But is it "for Basecamp like apps". Or is it "for the Basecamp app"? I honestly can't believe a back end framework has minimum supported browser requirements that are basically "use the latest or GTFO".
- jacobsenscott 10y ago
  It is for "most web apps" because most web apps are like basecamp, and it isn't "use the latest or GTFO". It is "use the latest by default or add a single line to your gem file if you want to support older browsers." Most web apps are only tested on the latest browsers anyway, even if they claim to support older browsers. This is true unless you have a very popular app and a very large team.
  - stephenr 10y ago
    > Most web apps are only tested on the latest browsers anyway I've worked in web/related fields for about 10 years now, and I've never worked on a project where "fuck it, the latest will do" has been acceptable.
    - scruple 10y ago
      Yeah, same here. This comment thread is bizarre. I've been writing web apps that serve an industry where users don't install their software but their IT department does on their behalf: hospitals, but schools and government agencies are very similar, as well. Many of these apps are required to support back to IE8. For better or worse, that is the world some of these apps must live in.
  - zeemonkee3 10y ago
    > This is true unless you have a very popular app and a very large team. Or you have very important and lucrative clients in government, healthcare, or some other crusty large organization with horribly dated browsers they're not going to replace any time soon. That quickly makes you throw away the latest React-* solution and reach for jQuery, however much you rage inside.
    - gaastonsr 10y ago
      Which is not true. Most frameworks have good support for legacy browsers. And when some library fails in an old browser is always something so small that I end up making a PR and getting it fixed the same day.
- mhw 10y ago
  It doesn't. jquery-ujs will still be there if you want it, but depending on jquery brings along a lot of baggage along with the legacy browser support it allows. This discussion is just about what the default should be, and I don't think its unreasonable these days to aim for modern browsers as a default for most sites.

bronson 10y ago

Lots of websites have those browser requirements. Many of them aren't written in Rails. Care to explain your "absolutely confirms" logic?

stephenr 10y ago
Lots of websites require a browser that was released in the last 2 1/2 years? I think you're seeing the web through SV tinted glasses.
- bronson 10y ago
  Sure, since all major browsers auto-update now. This has been a thing for years. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn531055.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn531055.aspx http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/which-browsers-are-officially-supported-and-what-else-do-i-need http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/which-browsers... https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6557?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/33864?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/33864?hl=en http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200306330 http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=2... (notable exceoption for IE8, would love to know the reason) etc.

gaastonsr 10y ago

Rails is a joke and @dhh is only making it worse. I'm disgusted by his choices. A lot of good devs are moving away from it for several reasons. For me, it was the amount of magic involved in everything. I'm just glad I gave up and moved onto other things.