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It cuts the Zürich-Milan journey time for passenger trains by about an hour (from 173 to 111 minutes) accelerating train trips from Germany/Switzerland to Italy

It cuts the Zürich-Milan journey time for passenger trains by about an hour (from 173 to 111 minutes) accelerating train trips from Germany/Switzerland to Italy significantly.

planetjones 10y ago
I don't get this. Zurich is in Switzerland. I don't think even with this tunnel opening we will be getting from Zurich to Milan in under 2 hours... Are your numbers wrong? Edit: we will be looking at journey times of about 170 minutes from Zurich to Milan AFTER the tunnel opens.
- harryf 10y ago
  Yeah - I've done that journey and have in mind that it takes about 4 hours right now from Zürich to Milan by train (with various stops)
- lmm 10y ago
  The TGV Paris-Lyon takes less than 2 hours to cover a substantially longer distance.
  - vasile 10y ago
    The terrain geography in Switzerland doesn't allow you to drive constantly with 300km/h, in France it's a different story
dalke 10y ago
Could you double-check the Zürich-Milan journey time? The article says "... the journey time for travellers between Zurich and Milan will be reduced by an hour to two hours and 40 minutes." I cross-checked that with http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/switzerland-s-gotthard-train-tunnel-will-be-world-s-longest-n576096 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/switzerland-s-gotthard-tra... ("reducing the journey times between Zurich, Switzerland, and Milan, Italy, from just over four hours to two-and-a-half hours") and http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2026369,00.html http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2026369... ("the journey time of three hours and 40 minutes from Zurich to Milan on the Cisalpino tilting train will be cut by an hour".) You can see these all give a time of over 150 minutes using the tunnel, not 111 minutes. They all agree it's a savings of about an hour.
piquadrat 10y ago
I heard numbers of 45 minutes less for Zurich-Milan. Maybe your number already includes the Ceneri Base Tunnel[1], to be opened in 2020? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceneri_Base_Tunnel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceneri_Base_Tunnel
- MagnumOpus 10y ago
  Indeed you are right - I got my number from 24heures.ch, and it is comparing the number before both tunnels vs. the time after both are open: http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/Le-tunnel-de-base-du-Gothard-revolutionnera-le-rail-dans-deux-ans/story/23248700 http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/Le-tunnel-de-base-du-Gothard-r...
chiph 10y ago
But the real goal is to get trucks off their roads. Hopefully this happens.
MagnumOpus 10y ago
Self-correction: It cuts the Zürich-Lugano journey time from 173 to 111 minutes rather than Zürich-Milan (which still takes longer). Though it does cut journey times for the latter by an hour too.

It cuts the Zürich-Milan journey time for passenger trains by about an hour (from 173 to 111 minutes) accelerating train trips from Germany/Switzerland to Italy significantly.

planetjones 10y ago

I don't get this. Zurich is in Switzerland. I don't think even with this tunnel opening we will be getting from Zurich to Milan in under 2 hours... Are your numbers wrong? Edit: we will be looking at journey times of about 170 minutes from Zurich to Milan AFTER the tunnel opens.

harryf 10y ago
Yeah - I've done that journey and have in mind that it takes about 4 hours right now from Zürich to Milan by train (with various stops)
lmm 10y ago
The TGV Paris-Lyon takes less than 2 hours to cover a substantially longer distance.
- vasile 10y ago
  The terrain geography in Switzerland doesn't allow you to drive constantly with 300km/h, in France it's a different story

dalke 10y ago

Could you double-check the Zürich-Milan journey time? The article says "... the journey time for travellers between Zurich and Milan will be reduced by an hour to two hours and 40 minutes." I cross-checked that with http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/switzerland-s-gotthard-train-tunnel-will-be-world-s-longest-n576096 http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/switzerland-s-gotthard-tra... ("reducing the journey times between Zurich, Switzerland, and Milan, Italy, from just over four hours to two-and-a-half hours") and http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2026369,00.html http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2026369... ("the journey time of three hours and 40 minutes from Zurich to Milan on the Cisalpino tilting train will be cut by an hour".) You can see these all give a time of over 150 minutes using the tunnel, not 111 minutes. They all agree it's a savings of about an hour.

piquadrat 10y ago

I heard numbers of 45 minutes less for Zurich-Milan. Maybe your number already includes the Ceneri Base Tunnel[1], to be opened in 2020? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceneri_Base_Tunnel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceneri_Base_Tunnel

MagnumOpus 10y ago
Indeed you are right - I got my number from 24heures.ch, and it is comparing the number before both tunnels vs. the time after both are open: http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/Le-tunnel-de-base-du-Gothard-revolutionnera-le-rail-dans-deux-ans/story/23248700 http://www.24heures.ch/suisse/Le-tunnel-de-base-du-Gothard-r...

chiph 10y ago

But the real goal is to get trucks off their roads. Hopefully this happens.

MagnumOpus 10y ago

Self-correction: It cuts the Zürich-Lugano journey time from 173 to 111 minutes rather than Zürich-Milan (which still takes longer). Though it does cut journey times for the latter by an hour too.