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Why call it the Triboro? Even leaving behind the negative associations (one assumes advocates of rail would not want to call to mind thoughts of Robert Moses),

by bydo 10y ago

Why call it the Triboro? Even leaving behind the negative associations (one assumes advocates of rail would not want to call to mind thoughts of Robert Moses), there are, err, four boroughs it proposes to connect.

untog 10y ago
The Staten Island connection is shown as a possible future extension, not part of this plan.
- elliottcarlson 10y ago
  As a Staten Island resident, this sucks as usual. I lived here for 10 years, moved to Manhattan and recently moved back because I just can't get the same amount of space for the price in the other boroughs. The work on the Verrazano and SI Expressway has slowed down traffic to worse delays than before, and this island really needs some better transportation options. Currently, I take the express bus every day to my office in the Flatiron district - this takes me on average an hour and 10 minutes door to door, but can easily hit 2 hours due to something happening on either the Verrazano or the FDR. Alternatively, I live close enough to the (there is only one) train on Staten Island that can take me to the Ferry - from there I would get off with everyone else and fight with the crowds taking the various subways up town. This commute is about an hour and 20 minutes, and is broken up in 3 parts that are mildly frustrating during each leg of the commute. Obviously a direct subway connection to the island would be amazing, either to Brooklyn or Manhattan directly, but that plan was scrapped in the 20's and isn't likely to come back any time soon. Some transportation proposals include commuter connections to the NJ light rail via Bayonne; and there is a 20 year project ahead to improve and widen the Verrazano - I don't know how much of that time will cause more delays than there already are. As the North Shore gets gentrified with the new luxury residential buildings like URL (Urban Ready Life - sigh - though it looks like it has now been renamed URBY...), the Wheel (the future world's tallest ferris wheel), Empire Outlets, etc - the area will become a hot new destination for those looking to escape the ever rising prices of the coveted Brooklyn and New Jersey areas like Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Jersey City, etc. Hopefully they have a lot more in store for transportation options when it comes to the island when these projects open to the public over the course of 2017. Sorry for the rant...
  - IIAOPSW 10y ago
    It isn't a coincidence that commuting time and price of a sq-ft of space are negatively correlated. I guarantee you if someone built a 5 min connection from downtown to Staten Island, the real-estate on SI would very quickly be developed to the exact same state as all the other places that are 5 min from downtown. The thing you want (affordable, spacious, fast transit) simply can't exist.
    - dgant 10y ago
      They can if the supply greatly increases. That's among the reasons why a project longer the Triboro brings so much opportunity. Decentralizing New York real estate would drastically improve affordability.
      - IIAOPSW 10y ago
        Then more people will see that New York provides better bang for the buck (economic opportunities per rent dollar), which will cause population to increase by migration, which will increase demand, which will eventually get us back to where we started. I'm not saying this proposal is bad. I quite like it. But let's not get the causation backwards. Urban poor aren't poor because of bad access to transit. Urban poor have bad access to transit because they are poor. Building transit ultimately changes the real estate value along the line, temporarily makes everyone's rent cheaper, and permanently increases the population of the city.
  - Spooky23 10y ago
    This is why I moved upstate. Construction doubled my commute last week -- 15 minutes. When I need to get to Manhattan, it takes me about 30 minutes more than it takes you to do so on a bad day, in the relative luxury of an Amtrak car.

by bydo 10y ago

untog 10y ago

The Staten Island connection is shown as a possible future extension, not part of this plan.

elliottcarlson 10y ago
As a Staten Island resident, this sucks as usual. I lived here for 10 years, moved to Manhattan and recently moved back because I just can't get the same amount of space for the price in the other boroughs. The work on the Verrazano and SI Expressway has slowed down traffic to worse delays than before, and this island really needs some better transportation options. Currently, I take the express bus every day to my office in the Flatiron district - this takes me on average an hour and 10 minutes door to door, but can easily hit 2 hours due to something happening on either the Verrazano or the FDR. Alternatively, I live close enough to the (there is only one) train on Staten Island that can take me to the Ferry - from there I would get off with everyone else and fight with the crowds taking the various subways up town. This commute is about an hour and 20 minutes, and is broken up in 3 parts that are mildly frustrating during each leg of the commute. Obviously a direct subway connection to the island would be amazing, either to Brooklyn or Manhattan directly, but that plan was scrapped in the 20's and isn't likely to come back any time soon. Some transportation proposals include commuter connections to the NJ light rail via Bayonne; and there is a 20 year project ahead to improve and widen the Verrazano - I don't know how much of that time will cause more delays than there already are. As the North Shore gets gentrified with the new luxury residential buildings like URL (Urban Ready Life - sigh - though it looks like it has now been renamed URBY...), the Wheel (the future world's tallest ferris wheel), Empire Outlets, etc - the area will become a hot new destination for those looking to escape the ever rising prices of the coveted Brooklyn and New Jersey areas like Williamsburg, Crown Heights, Jersey City, etc. Hopefully they have a lot more in store for transportation options when it comes to the island when these projects open to the public over the course of 2017. Sorry for the rant...
- IIAOPSW 10y ago
  It isn't a coincidence that commuting time and price of a sq-ft of space are negatively correlated. I guarantee you if someone built a 5 min connection from downtown to Staten Island, the real-estate on SI would very quickly be developed to the exact same state as all the other places that are 5 min from downtown. The thing you want (affordable, spacious, fast transit) simply can't exist.
  - dgant 10y ago
    They can if the supply greatly increases. That's among the reasons why a project longer the Triboro brings so much opportunity. Decentralizing New York real estate would drastically improve affordability.
    - IIAOPSW 10y ago
      Then more people will see that New York provides better bang for the buck (economic opportunities per rent dollar), which will cause population to increase by migration, which will increase demand, which will eventually get us back to where we started. I'm not saying this proposal is bad. I quite like it. But let's not get the causation backwards. Urban poor aren't poor because of bad access to transit. Urban poor have bad access to transit because they are poor. Building transit ultimately changes the real estate value along the line, temporarily makes everyone's rent cheaper, and permanently increases the population of the city.
- Spooky23 10y ago
  This is why I moved upstate. Construction doubled my commute last week -- 15 minutes. When I need to get to Manhattan, it takes me about 30 minutes more than it takes you to do so on a bad day, in the relative luxury of an Amtrak car.