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You lack context. Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escap

by Chyzwar 10y ago

You lack context. Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escape from hell they live. It is easy to be on high moral ground when you can just get a normal job in economy with <6% unemployment and rich family to back you up, funding your overpriced college. NSA spy people and have probably more private information than your Ashley Madison "secret" email. There more dark web than you can imagine and hacking Tumblr is just silly.

drivingmenuts 10y ago
> Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escape from hell they live. And that justifies their acts? You're right. It's easy to be all moral and ethical when you don't face those kinds of challenges. I'll even grant you that I have failed a few moral and ethical challenges while living in my safe little world. I own that. And I have zero sympathy for those bastards. They made a choice to steal and then a further choice to release that information for others to do more harm and to try and make money while doing it. You know the saddest part? I look at all the threads related to this story and I'm the only one who's even outraged by this. Most people are pretty blasé about it (kind of understandable) and many of you are defending their actions. Are we that disconnected that we no longer recognize right and wrong? Have we reached a point where we can say "Fuck the 1st worlder. He can buy more privilege."?
- Chyzwar 10y ago
  Because life is not black and white. Everything is is just shade of grey. Russian Hacker have a choice: - hack for Russian Government, potentially leading to people being killed. - hack for blackmail where hacked western company will need to pay fee data/ddos. - work as bounty hunter making pennies for sometimes weeks of work. Someone from US with the same skill is working as: - penetration tester, - security consultant, - do bounty hunting as hobby Majority of hacks you will never hear, It is only happening when: a) Company decide not to pay blackmailers and screw the users,(Tumblr?) b) Competing company pay for hack to destroy competitor(Ashley Madison?), c) Is done by foreign country as mean of attack (Estonia/Github) Single people being blackmailed is usually done by friends family. Let say that you "best" friend knew about "your" Ashley Madison account, he would use this as opportunity to blackmail. Were Russian vegetate in the middle of Siberia, US gentleman is having fancy dinners in SF. If you want to have moral outrage do it for US companies Yahoo, Google for sharing data with Chinese Gov.
ryanlol 10y ago
>Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escape from hell they live. In my experience this simply isn't true. The part about nationalities, yes somewhat. But these guys certainly mostly aren't living in particularly bad situations, they're just guys that figured out that the risk/reward ratio is heavily in their favor. >It is easy to be on high moral ground when you can just get a normal job in economy with <6% unemployment and rich family to back you up, funding your overpriced college. You can hardly compare a "normal job", even if it pays 200k a year to a part time job where you can make anything between 500k to millions of dollars a year.

by Chyzwar 10y ago

drivingmenuts 10y ago

> Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escape from hell they live. And that justifies their acts? You're right. It's easy to be all moral and ethical when you don't face those kinds of challenges. I'll even grant you that I have failed a few moral and ethical challenges while living in my safe little world. I own that. And I have zero sympathy for those bastards. They made a choice to steal and then a further choice to release that information for others to do more harm and to try and make money while doing it. You know the saddest part? I look at all the threads related to this story and I'm the only one who's even outraged by this. Most people are pretty blasé about it (kind of understandable) and many of you are defending their actions. Are we that disconnected that we no longer recognize right and wrong? Have we reached a point where we can say "Fuck the 1st worlder. He can buy more privilege."?

Chyzwar 10y ago
Because life is not black and white. Everything is is just shade of grey. Russian Hacker have a choice: - hack for Russian Government, potentially leading to people being killed. - hack for blackmail where hacked western company will need to pay fee data/ddos. - work as bounty hunter making pennies for sometimes weeks of work. Someone from US with the same skill is working as: - penetration tester, - security consultant, - do bounty hunting as hobby Majority of hacks you will never hear, It is only happening when: a) Company decide not to pay blackmailers and screw the users,(Tumblr?) b) Competing company pay for hack to destroy competitor(Ashley Madison?), c) Is done by foreign country as mean of attack (Estonia/Github) Single people being blackmailed is usually done by friends family. Let say that you "best" friend knew about "your" Ashley Madison account, he would use this as opportunity to blackmail. Were Russian vegetate in the middle of Siberia, US gentleman is having fancy dinners in SF. If you want to have moral outrage do it for US companies Yahoo, Google for sharing data with Chinese Gov.

ryanlol 10y ago

>Most hackers doing this live in Russia/China/Ukraine they are mostly untouchable but in the same time they have limited possibilities to escape from hell they live. In my experience this simply isn't true. The part about nationalities, yes somewhat. But these guys certainly mostly aren't living in particularly bad situations, they're just guys that figured out that the risk/reward ratio is heavily in their favor. >It is easy to be on high moral ground when you can just get a normal job in economy with <6% unemployment and rich family to back you up, funding your overpriced college. You can hardly compare a "normal job", even if it pays 200k a year to a part time job where you can make anything between 500k to millions of dollars a year.