> At that point it becomes difficult to justify any particular point on the tough shit dial - especially when todays tough shit was, four generations ago, essen

> At that point it becomes difficult to justify any particular point on the tough shit dial - especially when todays tough shit was, four generations ago, essentially heaven on earth. I don't see how this follows. You are arguing that perfect is the enemy of good? This tough shit dial be as low as is acceptable fiscally and to the contemporary standards of society. > It's all of the bullshit in-between that is totally unworkable - both practically and theoretically. His question - and your answer - illustrate that very well. By this logic do current US welfare programs count as the "bullshit in-between?" Those are very much workable practically in the sense that they are currently in effect and are not planned to be dismantled. For that matter doesn't any level of government support for disadvantaged citizens count as the "bullshit in-between?"