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but then unfortunately you'll be an employee of an entrepreneur that crosses that line.... ..and if you are morally above that, then you'll work as a rent-seek

but then unfortunately you'll be an employee of an entrepreneur that crosses that line.... ..and if you are morally above that, then you'll work as a rent-seeker in a government office that taxes that entrepreneur. only way to win, is to not play.

TeMPOraL 10y ago
I had an employer once who was about to cross the line, by getting a project from the gambling business. A cool software/hardware project (service interfaces for casino machines) that seemed to match my skills. I flat-out declined participation. He actually was very relieved, he was himself uncomfortable with it. The other time I threatened my employer with leaving on the spot if I ever see the shady spam-marketing tactics they were discussing popping up on my blog. I'm not sure if it worked or if they decided to never again talk about marketing strategy in my presence. There are many jobs out there that are morally acceptable. Not as many as I'd like, but fortunately I've managed to find one, and I'm sticking to it at the moment. But yeah, I get your point - after hearing stories about various shenanigans my non-tech friends were asked to do at their jobs, I'm under firm impression that most companies are in fact fucking over their customers whenever possible. > only way to win, is to not play. Let's get on with Basic Income. It will be much easier to stick to your morals without the threat of going hungry hanging over your head.
- pjlegato 10y ago
  > Let's get on with Basic Income Won't that just cause all the amoral people in politics to begin promising to raise the basic income more than the next politician will, reducing all policymaking to a race to bribe the populace, so that they'll ignore all the other amoral things the politicians are doing?
  - TeMPOraL 10y ago
    Like in Honor Harrington? Let's hope not.
  - danenania 10y ago
    At least they'd be bribing the populace rather than the wealthy.
    - pjlegato 10y ago
      The wealthy would still get bribed, and a lot more than the pittance that the populace would get.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    > Won't that just cause all the amoral people in politics to begin promising to raise the basic income more than the next politician will No, the same as all policymaking now isn't reduced to a race to bribe the populace with tax cuts.

TeMPOraL 10y ago

I had an employer once who was about to cross the line, by getting a project from the gambling business. A cool software/hardware project (service interfaces for casino machines) that seemed to match my skills. I flat-out declined participation. He actually was very relieved, he was himself uncomfortable with it. The other time I threatened my employer with leaving on the spot if I ever see the shady spam-marketing tactics they were discussing popping up on my blog. I'm not sure if it worked or if they decided to never again talk about marketing strategy in my presence. There are many jobs out there that are morally acceptable. Not as many as I'd like, but fortunately I've managed to find one, and I'm sticking to it at the moment. But yeah, I get your point - after hearing stories about various shenanigans my non-tech friends were asked to do at their jobs, I'm under firm impression that most companies are in fact fucking over their customers whenever possible. > only way to win, is to not play. Let's get on with Basic Income. It will be much easier to stick to your morals without the threat of going hungry hanging over your head.

pjlegato 10y ago
> Let's get on with Basic Income Won't that just cause all the amoral people in politics to begin promising to raise the basic income more than the next politician will, reducing all policymaking to a race to bribe the populace, so that they'll ignore all the other amoral things the politicians are doing?
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  Like in Honor Harrington? Let's hope not.
- danenania 10y ago
  At least they'd be bribing the populace rather than the wealthy.
  - pjlegato 10y ago
    The wealthy would still get bribed, and a lot more than the pittance that the populace would get.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Won't that just cause all the amoral people in politics to begin promising to raise the basic income more than the next politician will No, the same as all policymaking now isn't reduced to a race to bribe the populace with tax cuts.