I've seen this question asked about a dozen times now on HN and nobody is even attempting to answer it. It's all handwaving madly so the flaws in their reasoni

I've seen this question asked about a dozen times now on HN and nobody is even attempting to answer it. It's all handwaving madly so the flaws in their reasoning aren't spotted. That remains my position until a good argument gets presented that isn't all over the place with logic leaps.