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> The whole safe space movement was stifling freedom of speech Consider that certain people's freedom of speech is already stifled. What should we do about th

> The whole safe space movement was stifling freedom of speech Consider that certain people's freedom of speech is already stifled. What should we do about that? Want to trade places with them?

Karunamon 10y ago
Could you be more specific? Who's? If we're talking about an online context, barring the kind of censorship we're talking about here, that's strictly false. A tweet is a tweet is a tweet.
ZoF 10y ago
This comment makes zero sense in this context. The parent poster said he was for defending free speech, why would he want to switch places to somewhere where it's restricted? What is your objection even? That because free speech is restricted in e.g. North Korea we should start restricting it elsewhere? Or are you implying that oppressed demographics(e.g. homosexuals, black people, etc.) are having their freedom of speech stifled and therefore restrictions in free speech as a result of the 'safe space' movement are justified? That's the only reasonably understandable(albeit flawed in my personal opinion) interpretation of your comment I can really make. Care to clarify?
- stonecraftwolf 10y ago
  How is it flawed? A TOS that discourages hate speech and enforces some sort of standard seems far less stifling than intimidation by rape and death threats. It's funny to see people get bent out of shape at the idea that they might have to watch what they say when the consequences of saying something offensive are just that a platform might not let them publish everything they want to while there are large groups of people who already have to watch what they say because the consequences of saying something that another group disagrees with are rape threats, death threats, and harassment campaigns.
  - ZoF 10y ago
    >It's funny to see people get bent out of shape at the idea that they might have to watch what they say I strongly believe in free speech and I will absolutely be 'bent out of shape' when people or groups try to stifle it. >there are large groups of people who already have to watch what they say because the consequences of saying something that another group disagrees with are rape threats, death threats, and harassment campaigns. Please provide me a modern day example of this in the US.(where these companies are located)
PKop 10y ago
We should unstifle it. Are you claiming that safe-space movements that stifle free speech are justified, because someone else's free speech was stifled? Please give us an example with details of what exactly you are talking about.
- JacobJans 10y ago
  > safe-space movements that stifle free speech Safe spaces do not stifle free speech. Just as your ability to limit who enters your home (if you have one) does not stifle free speech, safe spaces do not stifle free speech. I would argue that they actually increase freedom of speech, because they give certain individuals freedom to express themselves without fear of retribution. Something that can be rather difficult achieve for some people. Of course, there are problems with the safe space movement. For example, they often highlight racial/ethnic/gender differences between people. In my analysis, it seems that marginalized people have realized the world is not going to change any time soon, and that they will continue to be marginalized – which is the motivation for creating a safe place. Should Facebook/Twitter be a "safe space"? Probably not – but Facebook has been very succcesful at creating such safe spaces with their Groups platform, which seem to be gaining more and more traction.
  - PKop 10y ago
    There are countless examples of "safe-spaces" being argued for on campus to shut down campus speakers, debate, not allowing video of protests, etc. Would you like links for reference? But first, since you're defending the concept, how would you define a safe space... and how is the space kept "safe"?
  - advantark 10y ago
    Safe spaces are echo chambers. Only people who align with their own views are allowed, so those views are the only ones expressed. It's "Free" as long as you say what they want to hear.
  - the_watcher 10y ago
    > Safe spaces do not stifle free speech. Yes, they do, by definition.

> The whole safe space movement was stifling freedom of speech Consider that certain people's freedom of speech is already stifled. What should we do about that? Want to trade places with them?

Karunamon 10y ago

Could you be more specific? Who's? If we're talking about an online context, barring the kind of censorship we're talking about here, that's strictly false. A tweet is a tweet is a tweet.

ZoF 10y ago

This comment makes zero sense in this context. The parent poster said he was for defending free speech, why would he want to switch places to somewhere where it's restricted? What is your objection even? That because free speech is restricted in e.g. North Korea we should start restricting it elsewhere? Or are you implying that oppressed demographics(e.g. homosexuals, black people, etc.) are having their freedom of speech stifled and therefore restrictions in free speech as a result of the 'safe space' movement are justified? That's the only reasonably understandable(albeit flawed in my personal opinion) interpretation of your comment I can really make. Care to clarify?

stonecraftwolf 10y ago
How is it flawed? A TOS that discourages hate speech and enforces some sort of standard seems far less stifling than intimidation by rape and death threats. It's funny to see people get bent out of shape at the idea that they might have to watch what they say when the consequences of saying something offensive are just that a platform might not let them publish everything they want to while there are large groups of people who already have to watch what they say because the consequences of saying something that another group disagrees with are rape threats, death threats, and harassment campaigns.
- ZoF 10y ago
  >It's funny to see people get bent out of shape at the idea that they might have to watch what they say I strongly believe in free speech and I will absolutely be 'bent out of shape' when people or groups try to stifle it. >there are large groups of people who already have to watch what they say because the consequences of saying something that another group disagrees with are rape threats, death threats, and harassment campaigns. Please provide me a modern day example of this in the US.(where these companies are located)

PKop 10y ago

We should unstifle it. Are you claiming that safe-space movements that stifle free speech are justified, because someone else's free speech was stifled? Please give us an example with details of what exactly you are talking about.

JacobJans 10y ago
> safe-space movements that stifle free speech Safe spaces do not stifle free speech. Just as your ability to limit who enters your home (if you have one) does not stifle free speech, safe spaces do not stifle free speech. I would argue that they actually increase freedom of speech, because they give certain individuals freedom to express themselves without fear of retribution. Something that can be rather difficult achieve for some people. Of course, there are problems with the safe space movement. For example, they often highlight racial/ethnic/gender differences between people. In my analysis, it seems that marginalized people have realized the world is not going to change any time soon, and that they will continue to be marginalized – which is the motivation for creating a safe place. Should Facebook/Twitter be a "safe space"? Probably not – but Facebook has been very succcesful at creating such safe spaces with their Groups platform, which seem to be gaining more and more traction.
- PKop 10y ago
  There are countless examples of "safe-spaces" being argued for on campus to shut down campus speakers, debate, not allowing video of protests, etc. Would you like links for reference? But first, since you're defending the concept, how would you define a safe space... and how is the space kept "safe"?
- advantark 10y ago
  Safe spaces are echo chambers. Only people who align with their own views are allowed, so those views are the only ones expressed. It's "Free" as long as you say what they want to hear.
- the_watcher 10y ago
  > Safe spaces do not stifle free speech. Yes, they do, by definition.